>But I don't see them all this way. Call me a sap but yeah, I really do think Obama is different. Is he perfect? No. Is he a politician who will sometimes say the opportune thing? Yes. I just think he does so an order of magnitude less than most politicians. It's refreshing.
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I actually agree with you about this. I find the guy refreshing. I disagree on what I *think* he believes about some things, but I am optimistic that if he become President it will be a mixed bag, he'll be good for the country in a lot of ways and his greatest detractors will be to his left.


>I should just shut up about the election. I have gotten myself worked up over it and am probably making enemies here. Let's see if I can seethe about it more quietly <g>.
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>>This is a great sign Mike, you're finally seeing the Clintons the way many others have since Arkansas. That means there's hope you'll start seeing all politicians this way. *crossing fingers*
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>>>OK, maybe it goes way back. But I can tell you you won't find many black churches on the South Side of Chicago that aren't "black centric." What would you expect him to be, an Episcopalian?
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>>>I don't think I am going to lighten up about this any time soon. It really makes me angry. I think Obama is a genuinely different politician and it does make me angry that now that he has a good chance of winning, everything under the sun is being flung at him. It's revolting. I know I will never forgive either of the Clintons.
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>>>>Maybe his identity confussion goes way back.
>>>>So there. Is that factual enough?
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>>>>Geez... lighten up. he's just another typical politician trying to buy your vote.
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>>>>>Please get your facts straight. He has been attending that church for 20 years. He was married there, his daughters were baptized there.
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>>>>>>...or Obama has an identity crisis. He doesn't know what he is. So he joins an overly black centric church to prove he is black enough.
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>>>>>>>I believe he did know. That was made pretty obvious by his waffling on it so many times. I think he used that church for political purposes all along and then it became clear that it was no longer a stepping stone but a hindrance to his campaign so he finally cut his ties publicly. I just think that he finally did what he should have done when the tirades were first made in church, stand up against the anti-american and racist comments.
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>>>>>>>>>I watched the interviews with Reverend Wright (over the past couple of weeks) and I was dissappointed in what he had to say. I watched his entire sermon and I agree that some of the quotes publicized in the past were taken out of context, but in context they were still highly inflammatory and IMHO, very anti-american and racist. I don't doubt that Obama was even more dissappointed. I don't know if his full sermons are still available, but you could download them from the church's website (warning they are 1.5 hours long). I was surprised that Obama didn't fire off a response then as Reverend Wright inferred that Obama knew full well what he was preaching all those years and Obama took a political stance to separate himself from Wright. I think Obama did the right thing responding as he did right now. To some he may be throwing the Reverend under the bus, but in my view, he is taking a stance that he should have taken long ago.
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>>>>>>>>If you think Obama didn't know about his reverends insanity, why did he disinvite him to his kickoff?