To clarify, I was a Bill Clinton supporter when he was President. It wound up being mostly a squandered opportunity, hastened by his many enemies, but still I preferred him to the alternative. (And nothing in the past 8 years has made me regret that). Hillary is another story. I have never been a fan and the more I see the less I like her. I wouldn't go as far as evil incarnate but I sure don't want her in charge of the country. Or Bill back in the White House, for that matter. If I'm in the mood for a soap opera I can find one on TV.

>This is what I found strange. For years here on the UT members were supporting the Clintons wholeheartedly. Now all of a sudden not only is she person-non-grata but now she is evil incarnate. I don't remember if he was one of them (perhaps he will share) because there were quite a few and frankly I don't remember who wrote what now. I guess she just took on the wrong opponent this time) Up til now she and her husband were the Democrat's jewels...
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>>You surprise me on daily basis, I mean on days when I get here.
>>There are people disliking Hillary by association with Bill's presidency, so, as long as we stay rational, these people should dislike Bill more, just because he was a President.
>>I cannot help but the opposite approach indicates some level of irrationality. Try to analyze your own thinking. Does your negative feeling to Hillary, specifically more negative than to Bill, happen to grow up during last few months, or you always had them?
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>>>Not as much as I have of Hillary, no. But he's catching up. I always liked Bill, voted for him twice. Some of the things he has said and done in this campaign, though, have soured me on him. He has gone way beyond the normal desire to stand by your spouse. The impression I have is neither of them cares what they break pursuing their own self-interest. They're sort of the ultimate baby boomers in that way.
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>>>>Frankly, I have never liked Clinton demonizing.
>>>>What about her husband? Do you have the same personal dislike to him?
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>>>>>A lot more personal than political. Her positions are not that different than those of Obama. I just can't stand her. And the more she resorts to no-holds-barred dirty politics the more I dislike her. I honestly don't think there is anything she wouldn't say or do to win.
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>>>>>>Is your passion personal or political?
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>>>>>>>Nope. It's a moot point, because she is not going to be the nominee, but I will not be supporting Hillary. I might not vote for McCain but I will not vote for Hillary. Even if it means Tamar sticking her tongue out at me for not voting <g>.
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>>>>>>>>Yeah.. right. As soon as Hillary is nominated, let's make this leap of imagination, this 'great sign' will disappear in a second.
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>>>>>>>>>This is a great sign Mike, you're finally seeing the Clintons the way many others have since Arkansas. That means there's hope you'll start seeing all politicians this way. *crossing fingers*
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>>>>>>>>>>OK, maybe it goes way back. But I can tell you you won't find many black churches on the South Side of Chicago that aren't "black centric." What would you expect him to be, an Episcopalian?
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>>>>>>>>>>I don't think I am going to lighten up about this any time soon. It really makes me angry. I think Obama is a genuinely different politician and it does make me angry that now that he has a good chance of winning, everything under the sun is being flung at him. It's revolting. I know I will never forgive either of the Clintons.
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>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe his identity confussion goes way back.
>>>>>>>>>>>So there. Is that factual enough?
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>>>>>>>>>>>Geez... lighten up. he's just another typical politician trying to buy your vote.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Please get your facts straight. He has been attending that church for 20 years. He was married there, his daughters were baptized there.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>...or Obama has an identity crisis. He doesn't know what he is. So he joins an overly black centric church to prove he is black enough.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I believe he did know. That was made pretty obvious by his waffling on it so many times. I think he used that church for political purposes all along and then it became clear that it was no longer a stepping stone but a hindrance to his campaign so he finally cut his ties publicly. I just think that he finally did what he should have done when the tirades were first made in church, stand up against the anti-american and racist comments.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I watched the interviews with Reverend Wright (over the past couple of weeks) and I was dissappointed in what he had to say. I watched his entire sermon and I agree that some of the quotes publicized in the past were taken out of context, but in context they were still highly inflammatory and IMHO, very anti-american and racist. I don't doubt that Obama was even more dissappointed. I don't know if his full sermons are still available, but you could download them from the church's website (warning they are 1.5 hours long). I was surprised that Obama didn't fire off a response then as Reverend Wright inferred that Obama knew full well what he was preaching all those years and Obama took a political stance to separate himself from Wright. I think Obama did the right thing responding as he did right now. To some he may be throwing the Reverend under the bus, but in my view, he is taking a stance that he should have taken long ago.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you think Obama didn't know about his reverends insanity, why did he disinvite him to his kickoff?