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The ant and the grasshopper
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14/05/2008 15:33:11
 
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My argument for Feinstein would be experience, gender and religion. She's quite liberal on most issues (I mean, she was the mayor of San Francisco - and a pretty good one) so there wouldn't be a big clash with Obama's own principles but she has gravitas on foreign affairs and isn't too bad on national security issues. Putting back together the black/Jewish coalition - even symbolicly - wouldn't be such a bad thing for his party. A veep choice won't carry a state for him anyway but a woman on the ticket would help to sooth some of Hillary's activists (I should say to energize them - they'll vote Obama anyway and a lot of the people who voted for HRC over Obama will vote for McCain over Obama) but somebody who has a little national security cred may help him. Of course, I don't think he'll do it. Probably will go with somebody like gov of Penn or Wesley Clark.

I don't think it is going to matter. I think he's going to get beat, and it is going to be a lot because of the backlash that is going to come when anyone who questions anything about him is going to be labelled a racist ( at least according to Juan Williams who is probably now going to be added to the long long list of people of African descent who are not 'really' black or who have 'sold out' )



>Agreed, Obama and the party should want nothing more than for Hillary to go far, far away. Veep? Good lord in the morning. Can you imagine having not only Hillary but also Bill in an allegedly subordinate role? The next time either of them doesn't try to be in charge will be the first. Obama would need neck surgery from watching over his shoulder all the time.
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>According to Carl Bernstein, one of the reasons Hillary may push hard for the VP slot is she doesn't really want to return to the Senate. She has burned a lot of bridges in the campaign, especially in her own party.
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>Feinstein would be an interesting choice. She's been a pretty good senator. OTOH she comes from a state Obama is going to win anyway and would do nothing to combat charges that Obama is liberal and "not strong enough." One intriguing idea I heard the other day is Chuck Hagel, the retiring Republican Senator from Nebraska. The Republican hard right already hates him and now they could hate him more <g>.
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>>If Obama were to even offer her the spot on the ticket I would question not just his judgment but his sanity. The Dem party will buy her off by retiring the 20mil debt of her campaign hoping she will not (subtly) sabotage Obama in 08 so she has a shot in 12 (the Dick Morris thesis - and therefore formulated with a great understanding of the Clintonian mindset)
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>>I do believe this has been another year when Dems will wrest defeat from the jaws of victory.
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>>Were I an Obaman adviser I would advise Dianne Feinstein as a running mate.
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>>>Another of her good ones. My ongoing annoyance with her is gradually shifting as I realize how sweet it's going to be when she finally has to admit defeat. (Which won't be today -- I see in the news she is still trying to reach out to superdelegates with a "message" from the West Virginia results).
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>>>I don't know if you saw Carl Bernstein's piece the other day. It was pretty interesting. He wrote that Hillary is still trying to land the plane (his phrase) in some way other than conceding. There are those close to her campaign who say she will now fight for the VP slot. That'll be the day....
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>>>>Sounds like you bought into Hillary's making 'hard working' and 'white' synonymous. <g>
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>>>>>>>MORAL OF THE STORY:
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>>>>>>>The most put upon, most discriminated against group of people in the U.S. is white males.
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>>>>>>>COROLLARY:
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>>>>>>>Be sure to vote for the white guy in November.
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>>>>>>You came upon that by..?
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>>>>>...reading your post.


Charles Hankey

Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened.
- Thomas Hardy

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. Eliot
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- Ben Franklin

Pardon him, Theodotus. He is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.
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