Yes, but I can't list them because it is covered under an nda. I've actually seen more. Have you seen MSFT's latest recommendations?


>That sounds pretty bizarre. Do you remember what they were?
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>>Try 8 layers - sheesh!
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>>>I once inherited two large VFP apps that were clearly over architected, so it can happen anywhere.
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>>>>You should work on some java projects in large IT departments (insurance, bank). At least over here I find them to be "overarchitecting" as a group while the best people manage to create a workable architecture and implementation by keeping "code" (sometimes "byte code" <g>) still on the radar. But perhaps it is worse in germany (seriously meant).
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>>>>Also remember that not all vfp frameworks automatically give you a nice and workable n-tier solution. I actually think current web platforms like ROR or Grails "teach" better architecture by creating clean MVC-patterns while still fitting into the RAD corner of development.
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>>>>regards
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>>>>thomas