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>>>>Superdelegates can still change their minds, Hillary says. Time for reflection is needed, Hillary says. I'm ahead in the popular vote, Hillary continues to lie says. Is someone going to have to drive a stake through her heart before she concedes she has lost?
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>>>>http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/02/democrats.race/index.html
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>>>Not that I like her either, but she has a valid point. She also has a valid point re: FL and MI delegates. Votes should not be changed by committee as the DNC did on Saturday. She bothered to run, and she got the votes.
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>>Those two primaries were invalidated before they were held and Hillary agreed to that along with everyone else. If the committee had chosen to adhere to that, neither candidate would be receiving any delegates from the two states. The DNC's decision was a compromise. Hillary stirred up Florida and Michigan voters so much after the fact that they genuinely believe themselves disenfranchised. This is being presented as thought the primaries were held in the normal manner and then the votes were taken away. They weren't.
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>Isn't being 'disinfranchised' a democratic standard?
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>>I don't know if you caught it but Harold Ickes, Hillary's chief kneecapper (and DNC member!), said Michigan votes should be counted exactly as cast. IOW Hillary gets every vote cast for her and Obama, who took his name off the ballot, gets zero. About 40% of the ballots were marked "Uncommitted." The Clinton camp says none of those votes were for Obama, since none of them say Obama. "He made the decision to take himself off the ballot," Hillary now says airily. Truly unbelievable. Well, no, not unbelievable given the Clintons' loose history with the truth, but still appalling.
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>I didn't run in Michigan - Do I get votes out of this? That's how Obama got his..

You have got to be kidding. Has the Clinton disinformation campaign been so successful otherwise intelligent people are falling for it? Let's review the whole thing again in slo-mo.

1. Last year, Florida and Michigan announced that they were going to one-up all the other states moving their primary dates up in the hope of being more influential. (That sure worked out well, didn't it? - but never mind).

2. The Democratic party has certain rules. Among them are that the Iowa caucus is first, then the New Hampshire primary, and furthermore that no other contest can be before February 1. Florida and Michigan were explicitly warned that if they moved up their dates in violation of these party rules, their delegates would not be seated at the convention.

3. All the candidates, including Hillary, agreed to this and further agreed not to campaign in either state.

4. The two primaries were held in January. All candidates stuck to their pledges. Hillary did not have her name removed from the Michigan ballot, as Obama did -- or maybe she had hers put on and he didn't, I'm not sure -- but she honored the spirit of the agreement by not campaigning there. She is on video record calling the Michigan primary meaningless or a beauty contest or something like that.

Unexpectedly, the Democratic race turned into a real contest, not a coronation. By many reports, the Clinton campaign fully expected it to end (in their favor) on Super Tuesday. One of the reasons they ran into money trouble thereafter is they had budgeted very little spending past that date.

THEN Hillary started carrying on about voters being disenfranchised, "every vote counts," and all that. It's pure self-interest and nothing more. She has no legitimate case.
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