>You might consider returning .f. from form.load in abstract forms, so it's abstract or concrete controls won't even init().

I was already on the verge of commenting on the usefulsness of returning .f. in the container's init after the contained objects init may have done dastardly deeds.

But have you considered that in the form.load there is a differense between things added/imlemented at scx level and vcx level ?