>>>Gun control is in Canada. It's a social program started by liberals of course. It is going to cost the taxpayers a hundred million or so dollars said the liberals. Over a billion dollars later it still is a mess.
>>>Link - http://www.chuckhawks.com/canadian_gun_control.htm
>>>"Oops, we have an intruder. Honey? Do you remember the gun safe combination? Where is the key to the trigger guard?" And if you get this far without facing the intruder, then you must load the weapon. Good luck defending your home.
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>>It is pretty sad for a country that proclaims to be a modern country that citizens actually do need a gun to defend their homes. I don't see that up here having a gun in the house gets the situation safer. The chance that I even have to use a gun to defend my home is about zero in the first place. The chance that accidents happen with the gun are an order of magnitude higher than that.
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>>Up here all new houses are delivered with a so called intrusion delay protection. That essentially means a house can withstand a level a force for a couple of minutes before the intruders can enter the house. This means, good locks on doors and windows. It also means that it is not easy to break into a (new) house. You need some serious tools to do so. So when it happens it is by someone who's intention it was to get in and had made the proper plan, and not some drunk people making fun out of making some trouble.
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>>And *if* they get in, I'd would give the intruders what they want rather than anyone gets killed by any gun that was purchased to defend a home. I'd never forgive myselft for that. After all the chance are that the intruded is far more familiar with a gun than the average home owner.
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>>I know that NA has a firm tradition in carrying guns, because of the wild west... (In a sense not much has changed), but there will be a time people will realise that countries with strict gun control law are indeed much safer than countries without.
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>It sounds like The Netherlands has taken serious precautions against home invasion. Why is that? All the drug addicts?

Another myth... The netherlands probably has a very low percentage of drug addicts. Another one, though The Netherlands has a very liberal approach to abortion it has a very low abortion rate and one of the lowest rate of teenage pregancies in the world.

But seriously, making your home less attractive to invade in the first place is a far more effective mechanism than using a baseball bat or firearm to keep them out of your house. I don't know of anyone having a firearm up here to protect, unless you're a criminal that has something to fear yourself.

Anyways, it is pretty obvious what game the gun lobby is playing. Same old strategy again and again. Refering to switzerland where there is a high rate of firearms per capita, and misleading information about gun control laws increasing murder rates. The american people are fooled and want to be fooled by this. They just want to keep their right to carry a gun even though they know guns in itself are the cause of a lot of murders that could have been avoided. For the gun lobby there is simply too much at stake: They will use every mean to convince the people they need guns, but you don't make a society safe by giving them the tools to murder themselves.

The US has many problems, that other countries do not have: The US has a huge gap between rich and poor. The US has a huge number of people who have next to nothing to lose. Mix this with the broad availability with guns and you got what you've currently got.

But one thing: no-one can deny here is that the countries that have strict gun control are much and much safer societies than in the US. So can someone explain why exactly that is before refuting the gun factor here?? And if we identify what it is, lets think what we can do about it!

See, this is what I miss here: The willing to search for answers to problems and really try to do something about it. Though your government knows the problems, they are essentially powerless to do anything about it. At least clinton tried but payed the bill. There are too many influencal groups that have their lobby into the government (That is what you get when the corporate world does do politics or politicians need the corporate world to gain their power). Making unpopular, but right decisions, is next to impossible withouth the approval of the corporate world. The party will pay the price at the next election.

And I know, tradition is hard to break... we also scream hell and back because as of today, smoking is not allowed in bars and restaurants anymore. Yes and we know that we probably should wear head protection when cycling... (In the netherlands you don't have to wear them), but in the end, enforcing it makes sense. A society needs those movements to go forward; not to get stuck. A goverment needs to have the power to do so or else it is just a puppet to the one with the biggest mouth and wallet.



http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/gun-rights-security-issues/38021-highest-firearms-per-capita-switzerland-crime-rate-nearly-non-existent.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita