>Your S-detector will undoubtedly be further triggered by learning I am now contractually forbidden from revealing the price.
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I am just pleased to find the Church of Scientology has found ways to expand its outreach to Developer Training <bg>

I just finished some pretty intensive training - Strataframe - a week in Amarillo (and a rerun in New Jersey sitting in with some friends on in a corporate training class) First week in VB second in C# (the Microfour guys are very comfortably bi-lingual and are also very fluent and experienced in FPW and VFP) Funny being on that side of the training class, after doing so much VFE training.

I was very very impressed. Like you, I pay for this kind of stuff out of my own pocket. When I decided to add some serious .NET development to my professional life I knew I needed a framework, if only to demystify data access and to flatten the learning curve.

The time and money I've invested in SF have paid off beyond my wildest expectations. I now find handling data in .NET at least as easy as handling it in Fox. I'm very comfortable with business objects from VFE so that part of the design is quite familiar and their system of strong typed properties to handle data (very very fast) is very much like our objectification of VFP data in VFE. Definitely a good investment for me.

Oh, and their prices aren't secret <g> Right on the website. I figure since I started with them about 18 months ago I've invested about $4k in licenses, training etc all in, which is about what I'll make using it next week <s>

I'm a big believer in frameworks as I see them as just a higher level of the language and a good guide to best-practices while getting productive quickly. I see so much stuff in general .NET training that is the equivalent of dragging tables onto a form in VFP which looks great for demos but scales like Tastrade. I knew I needed to get with an approach that was going to teach me the right way to do it from the get-go. That paid off big for me in VFP and seems to carry over.

I figure if you're gonna learn to ski - never snow plow. Too much to unlearn when you really want to carve edges. <g>

I do envy you the 3 months of C# - that sounds pretty in-depth and considering the level of expertise you developed in Fox I have no doubt you'll take advantage of it and by the end of the year will be not only in great demand but have another guru badge. (and probably squander hundreds of billable hours helping other people like you did me and the other newbies on CIS Foxforum <bg> I've already nominated you as a C# MVP just on spec. )

I would like to talk with you about it at some point. I'm doing VB, since something in me rebels against case-sensitivity (and I feel drawn to the verbose <s>) C# is rather cool and I find myself fiddling with it just to feel like a *real* programmer.

Phone numbers have probably changed but I'll shoot you an email with the latest.

>Yes, you could. I had the same problem.
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>Your S-detector will undoubtedly be further triggered by learning I am now contractually forbidden from revealing the price. Worth it, yeah, I think so, but not cheap. I think we are in agreement that bargains come in various price ranges.
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>Beyond that I can't say much more, at least publicly. Will give you a call to talk more about it sometime if you like. Does your phone number still end in 30? It would be nice to chat anyway after too long.
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>>You could grow old while cruising that website looking for the answer to "How much?" I thought "Pricing Information" might be the right direction but that was just something about MS vouchers.
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>>>>>>>PS -- I am up to my itching eyeballs in C# and will become even more so next Monday when I start a 3 month C#/.NET training program. Lord help me but I am starting to like semicolons and curly braces ;-)
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>>>>>>How did you finagle 3 months of C# training?
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>>>>>LOL
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>>>>>I am paying for it. It's not cheap, either. If it pays off the way I think it will, based on due diligence -- i.e. Who ever knows really? <g> -- the money will be well spent. A year or two from now I expect to be making near or above 6 figures as a C# / .NET developer. For a sometimes excitable guy, I am approaching this with clear eyes. No guarantees. Just hard work and faith that it will pay off.
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>>>>I think I recall you asking about the training a while back. How did you decide on who to use? Can you provide a link? I might be interested, depending on the associated costs.
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>>>The company is called SetFocus, www.setfocus.com.