>>>>>>Tracy,
>>>>>>So you are for murdering innocent people. Obama voted three times to allow doctors to murder babies that had been born, despite the doctor's best efforts to kill them while they were in the womb. The Russian Bear is awakening, and you are going to vote for Obama, over an issue that doesn't even have anything to do with you? I believe you are past the "child bearing" years, so it's a non issue for you. Even if McCain gets in, he will not cause the end of abortion/murder. It will be done on a state-by-state basis. The northeast and wacky west will still have abortion, probably up until the 15th trimester. Here in the Bible belt, it won't happen.
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>>>>>It's never a non-issue. This should not be a non-issue even for men. The Removeal by government of the freedom of personal choice about one's own body should bother anyone. Removal of one personal freedom easily leads to removal of more and more personal freedoms.
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>>>>>You see abortion as murder, I don't, and neither apparently does Tracy. Of course you see the removal of this personal freedom as a non-issue. I disagree vehemently.
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>>>>I see your disagreement vehemently and raise with a disagreement very vehemently, make that very very vehemently. What about the baby's rights?
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>>>Define 'baby'.
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>>Well, here's one example- a baby that has been delivered, even though the doctor was trying to kill it. It has survived the assault. Now the doctor wants to kill it. This is the circumstance where Obama voted to allow the murder.
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>How can you argue with someone who can't define "baby" much less "human"?

Sam, Sam, Sam. Sometimes you make me so tired. Smug sarcasm from the invincibly self-righteous never really seems to add much to any discussion.

We all have our definitions. I wanted his because he used the term. Some define it as from conception - I disagree, but hey life is full of disagreements.