>>>>>>>>>Tracy,
>>>>>>>>>So you are for murdering innocent people. Obama voted three times to allow doctors to murder babies that had been born, despite the doctor's best efforts to kill them while they were in the womb. The Russian Bear is awakening, and you are going to vote for Obama, over an issue that doesn't even have anything to do with you? I believe you are past the "child bearing" years, so it's a non issue for you. Even if McCain gets in, he will not cause the end of abortion/murder. It will be done on a state-by-state basis. The northeast and wacky west will still have abortion, probably up until the 15th trimester. Here in the Bible belt, it won't happen.
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>>>>>>>>It's never a non-issue. This should not be a non-issue even for men. The Removeal by government of the freedom of personal choice about one's own body should bother anyone. Removal of one personal freedom easily leads to removal of more and more personal freedoms.
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>>>>>>>>You see abortion as murder, I don't, and neither apparently does Tracy. Of course you see the removal of this personal freedom as a non-issue. I disagree vehemently.
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>>>>>>>I see your disagreement vehemently and raise with a disagreement very vehemently, make that very very vehemently. What about the baby's rights?
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>>>>>>Define 'baby'.
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>>>>>Well, here's one example- a baby that has been delivered, even though the doctor was trying to kill it. It has survived the assault. Now the doctor wants to kill it. This is the circumstance where Obama voted to allow the murder.
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>>>>I have to admit I'm not familiar with that one. Sure sounds wrong. Is there a link, or a lookup I can use to find out about it? I'm guessing that "doctor wants to kill baby" isn't going to find it for me.
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>>>The post is somewhat misleading. I think what he is referring to is recent testimonials for the last proposed anti-abortion law. There were people testifying for the latest abortion law to outlaw late term abortions. One of those who testified was a nurse who stated a late term baby who was aborted (no mention of the reason was made) and the baby survived the abortion so she held it until it passed because no effort at resuscitation was made since it was an abortion.
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>>Oh. Well for want of any more information, I agree that post was a tad misleading. I would still be interested to know exactly what it was about though.
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>It was regarding this bill:
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http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1082&GAID=3&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=3910&SessionID=3&GA=93>
>Obama's comments are on page 31:
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http://www.ilga.gov/senate/transcripts/strans92/ST040402.pdfTo be honest, I think Obama was really picking nits on this. And I don't really understand why.
