>>>>Tracy,
>>>>So you are for murdering innocent people. Obama voted three times to allow doctors to murder babies that had been born, despite the doctor's best efforts to kill them while they were in the womb. The Russian Bear is awakening, and you are going to vote for Obama, over an issue that doesn't even have anything to do with you? I believe you are past the "child bearing" years, so it's a non issue for you. Even if McCain gets in, he will not cause the end of abortion/murder. It will be done on a state-by-state basis. The northeast and wacky west will still have abortion, probably up until the 15th trimester. Here in the Bible belt, it won't happen.
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>>>It's never a non-issue. This should not be a non-issue even for men. The Removeal by government of the freedom of personal choice about one's own body should bother anyone. Removal of one personal freedom easily leads to removal of more and more personal freedoms.
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>>>You see abortion as murder, I don't, and neither apparently does Tracy. Of course you see the removal of this personal freedom as a non-issue. I disagree vehemently.
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>>I see your disagreement vehemently and raise with a disagreement very vehemently, make that very very vehemently. What about the baby's rights?
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>One critical point here is, what defines a human being. As a Bahá'í, I consider the baby a human being from the moment of conception, but I understand that there are differences in opinion here.
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>Perhaps these definitions have been established precisely to justify the murder abortion? As a comparison, indians were considered sub-humans for a long time.

I'm told the Chinese celebrate a person's birth, as nine months prior to their delivery.