>>>You just don't get it do you? Murder is an illegal homicide. The STATE cannot murder people, because they give them due process, which includes numerous appeals (some of us say too numerous). I support the government killing people who deserve it, not the innocent.
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>>Golly John, ya may be right here after all about me not getting it. So help me regarding this 'deserving/innocent' you know all about... "Deserving", "Innocent" says who? Who tells you, and you believe it to death, that one is deserving/innocent. Who was that again? Says who?
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>Ok, I'll be a little more didactic, just for you.
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>Innocent babies don't deserve to die.
>Says me, and most Christians.

In spite of Sam, I still want to know. When you use the word 'baby', are you referring to a fully formed human being outside the mother, a one celled creature just newly fertilised, a week of cell growth, a month? At some point, we agree on the concept of killing an innocent baby, but I'm not clear on whether you use the word the way most people understand it, or if you use it in place of 'fetus' to try to shock. I expect that most of us, on hearing/seeing the word 'baby', aren't picturing a few cells swimming around.

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>People who premeditatedly murder people, do deserve to die.
>Says the guvment.