>Ah-ha! That explains it! This one-for-all and all-for-one business is what is known as civil society. Can't have that.
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>But about Tamar's happy murderers et al, I see those pro-death 'prople' talk money with seeming self-convincing sincerity as long as we ignore the Harvard study findings that reveal more money is required for practicing the death penalty than not. Weird, huh?

Not at all. with all the legal obstacles that death penalty opponents have managed to put in the way of actually getting rid of a danger to society, the costs are enormous.

They can be drastically reduced.


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>>According to Tamar, 'the bill' will be shared by everyone. This was clearly pointed out by her when discussing who pays the bill for feeding, housing, and keeping happy murderers, rapists, multiple repeat offenders, etc who would qualify for the death penalty in many states. She doesn't want the prople who want to overturn the death penalty to have to volunteer the financing - she says everyone has to pay.
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>>There is a large percentage of the US population strongly opposed to killing babies. Using Tamar's logic, you get to pay.
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>>Ask Tamar.
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>>>Yes, well some things are simple. Go stand around as principled as you can afford -- you know, a money & mouth match-up. Otherwise you are 'simply' proffering an unfunded mandate on to other peoples business.
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>>>>Steven, there is nothing simple about this issue. My point in responding the way I did was to make a point that when you take a principled stance on an issue the alternatives are few, if any, if you really believe in your stance.
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>>>>I think the abortion issue is oversimplified by all sides. Everyone makes it seem that there are only two stances - pro-choice or pro-life. I disagree. I am personally very, very pro-life as you probably figured from my response. OTOH, who makes me the judge of other peoples moral decisions? I don't believe in laws regarding abortion pro or con since it's an individuals private choice of what they can live with.
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>>>>OTOH, my gut is that a baby who can survive the womb deserves a chance at a life.
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>>>>>>Tamar,
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>>>>>>>1) What if the child has no chance at a normal life, or even surviving much past birth? Here, I'm thinking of really severe impairments, like ancephaly.
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being.
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>>>>>>>2) What if the child will survive birth, but not beyond early childhood? Something like Tay-Sachs, where victims die by age 5.
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being.
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>>>>>>>3) What if the mother will survive pregnancy, but only at great damage to her health. For example, a mother with a disease that needs to be treated, but can't be treated while she's pregnant.
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being. The mother takes her chances because she became pregnant through personal choice or surfeit of birth control.
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>>>>>>>4) What if carrying the pregnancy to term means the mother will lose the ability to bear future children?
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being. The mother takes her chances because she became pregnant through personal choice or surfeit of birth control.
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>>>>>>>You mentioned rape, so let's go down that path:
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>>>>>>>5) What if the mother is a child impregnated by her father, so you have not only the issue of rape and child abuse, but increased genetic risks?
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being. The child is put up for adoption.
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>>>>>>>6) What if the mother is child, 10 or 11 or 12?
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>>>>>>The baby is allowed to be born and made comfortable as possible. It's a human being. The child is put up for adoption.
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>>>>>>>That's enough to start.
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>>>>>>The choices are simple when you believe in the sanctity of human life.
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>>>>>Ok 'sanctity'-breath, so they just send you the bill, right? I *sure* you're responsible for your belief, aren't you? Wow, it is simple. ;-)