>>Just to point out the blindingly obvious, either of them will be a rookie in the Oval Office.
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>>Obama "doesn't have any core values" -- typical mindless comment of the hyperpartisan.
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>Can't find the appropriate quote, time to re-read Pratchett... offhead:
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>"They loved traditional values. That usually meant they get to drink a lot, shout and hang somebody."

Churchill said something similar when he was a young man and in charge of the British Royal Navy (not sure of his exact title at the time). He ordered some change and the navy brass protested, saying the thing he was removing was a cherished tradition of the Royal Navy. "The only traditions of the Royal Navy are rum, sodomy, and the lash," he said.