>>>>>>>>You can't seriously think I assumed you really were an American leftist, can you? Can't you recognize an example?
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>>>>>>>I'm a bit obtuse... You mean Spartacus was a leftist?
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>>>>>>Yes. No. Sorry I ever brought up any specific examples. Never mind. Forget it. I'm talking to myself.
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>>>>>Or is this another way of trying to say we should take up arms and revolt against our oppressive government.
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>>>>No, it was my lament about me being unable to make clear what I think, and giving up in frustration.
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>>>hmmmm.... Maybe you can't come up with any clear example because, overall, you have it good here and don't really have much to complain about.
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>>Not in this thread, I'm not complaining. This all started with your remark about women jumping on any woman who is against women's lib, and black people jumping on any black guy who goes Republican. I was just trying to find a parallel with other situations where a person may be considered a traitor by the group of their peers. I've probably brought in too many widely spread examples.
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>hmm.. I don't remember saying anyone was against women's right.
>What is the difference between womens' right and women's lib?

"Women's lib" is shorthand for "women's liberation movement". And the goal of the movement is to achieve the rights.

What you said:
"Women movement is no different when it comes to being with their own kind. Women's movement is for liberal women only. If your outside of their fense, they have no mercy. Same with blacks. If you're black and run with the Republican crowd, you're an uncle tom or worse."

So... if it's a "liberation movement" - it does not sit well with not-liberation, eh?

>I think capitalism is good with one caveat, don't trick me with your product. Other then that, make all the money the market allows you.

It's just that there are so many things they call products nowadays... and more than half of them are attempts to cheat you, and they know they will get away with it, because there is no government that will protect the consumer (that'd be too much regulation and they'll make sure it becomes very expensive until they get enough money to buy legisla.... happened already? OK, never mind), and you as a consumer don't have 48 hours a day to test, get acquainted with, read the reports, avoid the low quality, get informed, become aware etc etc... all the things you can do as a consumer to protect your pocket. You can do that with one or two, assuming all others are equal. But there's no way you can know what you need to know about something you buy once a year, and isn't that expensive anyway. You just risk it, and they manufacturer and retailer both know that you won't raise a fuss, because you didn't do that last forty times they sold you a lemon.

So it goes.