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Obama Asked Iraq to Hold Off on US Troop DrawDown
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22/09/2008 22:35:00
Walter Meester
HoogkarspelNetherlands
 
 
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21/09/2008 09:37:45
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>>>>Anyways, what human rights violated in china is bothering you most. Just curious as I think many do not have a good grasp on it, but just are taking over the slogans from the media.
>>>
>>>There is no comparison. I am not discounting the U.S. problems you mentioned, just only putting them into perspective. We have real problems that must be addressed, but our problems do NOT in anyway take away from the gross injustice that happens daily in China. I have friends who do business in China, friends who are here legally from China, and friends who are here illegally from China. Right now my daughter is working in a restaurant owned by illegal immigrants from China. She is the only employee not from China. She is the only employee who speaks English. The stories I could tell you are shocking. Really, I couldn't do justice to reality. I SERIOUSLY recommend you find someone in your country who is from China, and not one of the elite classes and sit down and have a chat with them. Everything in their daily life is controlled and overseen. Every single town, village, or area is controlled by a group of government representatives. People still dissappear and never come home and it is NOT an unusual occurrance. What is visible in the business centers is not reality. That is the China that the govt wants you to see.
>>>
>>>Here is a start:
>>>
>>>Child slavery and child black market: (This is worth the view)
>>>http://www.hbo.com/docs/docuseries/chinasstolenchildren/index.html
>>>
>>>Human Rights:
>>>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22295
>>>http://www.hrichina.org/public/
>>>http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/asia-and-pacific/east-asia/china
>>>http://www.globalissues.org/article/144/china-and-human-rights
>>>http://www.amazon.com/Corpse-Walker-Stories-China-Bottom/dp/037542542X
>>>http://www.orato.com/current-events/2008/07/22/china-039-s-olympic-size-corruption-human-rights-abuses-amp-genocide-0
>>>
>>>A comparison:
>>>http://www.theacru.org/acru/russia_china_and_gitmo_a_contrast_in_human_rights/
>>>
>>>Corruption:
>>>http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=19628&prog=zch
>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7039383.stm
>>>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_1_61/ai_84426602
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>>I don't want to ignore things, but rather set them in context. first of all kidnapping of kids do have nothing to do with human rights as practised by the chinese government, unless the chinese government or communism is responsible for it. Child kidnapping happens all over the world. As for corruption, again nothing really having to do with human rights but part of a bigger picture.
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>>Further, I don't see much difference in what was practised in the sovjet union and the eastern countries and to a large extend in cuba very recently. Those walls have falled and the rest is going to fall. But it will take time, a lot of time, in order for a country to change. You'll have to grant them that time. China is going through a lot of development. It will just be a matter of time before they have to give up their efforts to control the internet access (If I'm in china, and am able to RDP to my home server, I'll be able to visit forbidden sites). China already faces a lot of problems we have faced before and are facing (economic, environmental, political and social). It will have to make their own decisions. It probably still will takes decades or more before the citizens of china will have made the switch in mindset.
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>>Thought there is a lot to say about human rights in china, to me, it is like spreading democracy. You cannot force it from outside, it has to come from within. All you can you is stimulate the (legitimate) processes that will improve human rights situation in china.
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>>So in short, I like to see something changing in china, I realise this is some slow process that has to embedded in the overall development of the country. The US, otoh, I would have expected to respect human rights.
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>>So tell me, what is more concerning?
>
>It is obvious to me from your post, that you did not read the articles or watch the video.

I did pick a few, but could not find anything that surprised me to be honest. I'm lacking the time to read and watch all of them and trying to get the point you're trying to make. So what is your point?
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