>>>>>Wow, have you ever seen the the SNL skit Debbie Downer?
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>>>>>Waa waa waaaaaa.
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>>>>Why would he be a downer? He actually found a few points to the contrary of the original downer.
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>>>You don't understand. If you don't agree with all things right wing, you are a whiner.
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>>But from all the things in the first post, maybe one is a result of liberal(ization?) policies. Most of them are a matter of being tough on this or tough on that, zero tolerance policies and heightening the security - all right-wing stuff, IMO. The rebuff was about the two positive changes over these 51 years, and these two would never come to be if right-wingers could have it the way they wanted. So... I don't know what happened here. Mike Cole got lost in the labyrinth consisting of one straight line? Somehow the original, right-wing-bashing post was fun and the counterpost is a wet blanket? Hmmm... Mike! We're over here!
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>I guess we can continue and work on Alan's version.
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>The rapist goes to court, is determined to be culturally disadvantaged, and set free because a liberal judge takes Tamar's view and decides that the rapist probably has felt bad about it and so can be forgiven (like the terrorist she discussed in a previous thread). The victim realizes that there is no justice in the 'enlightened world and hangs herself.

You want to cite where I said a terrorist should be forgiven? I have no problem putting real criminals in jail (though I'm opposed to mandatory sentences and to trying children as adults). i do think that jails should do their best to rehabilitate as many prisoners as possible, since productive members of society are a plus, and prisoners cost us money.

Tamar