>>>>>Wow, have you ever seen the the SNL skit Debbie Downer?
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>>>>>Waa waa waaaaaa.
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>>>>Why would he be a downer? He actually found a few points to the contrary of the original downer.
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>>>You don't understand. If you don't agree with all things right wing, you are a whiner.
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>>But from all the things in the first post, maybe one is a result of liberal(ization?) policies. Most of them are a matter of being tough on this or tough on that, zero tolerance policies and heightening the security - all right-wing stuff, IMO. The rebuff was about the two positive changes over these 51 years, and these two would never come to be if right-wingers could have it the way they wanted. So... I don't know what happened here. Mike Cole got lost in the labyrinth consisting of one straight line? Somehow the original, right-wing-bashing post was fun and the counterpost is a wet blanket? Hmmm... Mike! We're over here!
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>I guess we can continue and work on Alan's version.
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>The rapist goes to court, is determined to be culturally disadvantaged, and set free because a liberal judge takes Tamar's view and decides that the rapist probably has felt bad about it and so can be forgiven (like the terrorist she discussed in a previous thread). The victim realizes that there is no justice in the 'enlightened world and hangs herself.

Well, it wasn't really my version. I only responded to Dragan's response to Mike.

My only point was that Mike figured that what you wrote was valid criticism, but what Rich wrote was whining. That's not how real debates work. That kind of debating is usually reserved for those who have nothing to say.