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From
22/10/2008 13:34:26
Joel Leach
Memorial Business Systems, Inc.
Tennessee, United States
 
 
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22/10/2008 02:20:05
General information
Forum:
Visual FoxPro
Category:
Other
Title:
Environment versions
Visual FoxPro:
VFP 9 SP2
OS:
Vista
Network:
Windows 2003 Server
Database:
MS SQL Server
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01356000
Message ID:
01356367
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22
I saw Craig Boyd's session, and there has been some progress made on VFP Studio. One of the problems is that the Visual Studio Shell is still version 1.x and a moving target. For example, MS said they are going to rip out the current GUI and replace it. At least MS told them before they spent months with the current designer, but it is making progress difficult.

Craig mentioned that he has received a lot of messages like yours below, but he hasn't received offers of help. The details still haven't been decided, but if I understood him correctly, there IS going to be a free version, perhaps on VFPX. He wasn't very clear on that previously, so perhaps that's why no one has offered help. Anyway, they are looking for help from people with .NET and VFP experience, so shoot Craig an email if you're interested.

>Matt,
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>I, too, have been hoping for a thorough coverage of the SWFox presentations. So far I've found only three videos and a few blogs.
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>Likewise, I've been waiting for VFP Studio to come out of hiding. I observed the original countdown clock for almost a year, steadily winding down to zero days, zero hours, zero minutes and zero seconds. But, alas, when it finally did all zeroes, the only thing that happened was that the clock simply disappeared. Auch! Talk about bait-and-switch!
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>I have been concerned (which is actually too strong of a word in this context) that these 2-3 person efforts like Guineu, Dabo, eTecnologia and VFP Studio have wasted too much time getting up to speed and off the ground, and in the process most of their potential users have abandoned all future VFP hopes in droves and moved on to .NET, Ruby, Python, you-name-it. And now there are only a bunch of diehards left, going to the few diehard conferences near and far, teaching and/or learning about the intricacies of a dying language (Classical Sanskrit conjugation rules, anyone?) And PUFF! goes the opportunity, if there ever really was one.
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>The thing is, though, I am sure that these VFP TRIAD -guys have probably been working themselves to the bone, trying to replicate what Ashton, Tate, Dr. Dave, Ken Levy and a large number of other really smart guys and gals spent a few decades perfecting. However, these in themselves laudable efforts are not unlike trying to re-engineer a DC-3 into a Concorde. In your garage... (Don't get me wrong -- both planes were marvelous engineering feats of their time.)
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>"My name is Pertti, and I use VFP." Yes, I confess to being a VFP addict, maybe against my better judgment. I STILL start new projects in VFP when it seems like the right tool for the right job (about 40% of the time.) I future-proof my VFP apps by offering remote hosting via the Go-Global remote application hosting software, so that, if necessary, people can run my apps as long as they have web browsers on the client end and hardware that can run XP/Vista/Windows Server 2003/2008 on the server end.
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>Case study: After dusting off my old IBM XT clone (circa 1984) recently (a true beast with an 8086 processor, a math coprocessor, a 10 MB hard drive and 256K of memory) and successfully running a dBase II program I wrote some 25 years ago, I am not, frankly, too worried about the future of my new VFP apps. I'll have retired long before my VFP apps do...
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>I've used Strataframe, Devforce and MM.NET frameworks on various projects with various success over the years, but gosh darn it (as Sarah Palin would say) if I don't end up sorely missing my favorite VFP framework (Promatrix) and the associated third party tools (xCase, xCase2VPM, Foxfire report generator and Stonefield Database Toolkit) every time I take a walk on the brave new world side of the fence. Nothing that I've seen in the .NET world comes even CLOSE to this heady combination of best-in-class tools.
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>So, sue me. (Or better yet, Sue Ping!)
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>Pertti
>
>>I did hear and Craig and Bo speculating out loud between themselves while Craig was giving one of the VFP Studio presentations, as to whether they might have an Alpha release out within 2-3 weeks, for those who had attended the conference.
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>>I'm pretty sure Craig asked Bo something like..." in a coule of weeks?". Bo was, of course, a little hesitant to strongly commit, but he agreed that they were close. And again, I'm pretty sure it was in the scope of to those who had atended the conference. However, it was not a formal thing, and seemed to be kind of an on-thy-fly thought, so I will not hold Craig to anything.
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>>Knowing how busy they will surely be in the early weeks following the conference, I don't see how they could release something in such a short time line, but I would love to get my hands on that thing.
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>>I encouraged him to get something out there as as quickly as possible, just in case it might give any of our VFP developers some extra ammunition with their customer or employers as to the still-thriving nature of the VFP product. To me, making this hook between VFP and the .NET IDE any fashion breaths a little life back into VFP.
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>>But, no pressure, Craig...
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>>>Hi guys, those anyone of the guys who assisted to the conference can give us a little review of it?
>>>
>>>I'm specially dying to know any news related to VFP Studio.
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>>>Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>Luis
Joel Leach
Microsoft Certified Professional
Blog: http://www.joelleach.net
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