>>>>>>>>>I mean, c'mon Mike, this is all total BS. Voters should have to prove who they are, right? How else do you get rid of voter fraud? Proof of ID should be a responsibility of a voter for God's sake. Personally, I summarily reject any arguments against proof of ID because AFAIAC they are all very suspicious rationales.
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>>>>>>>>Didn't we have this conversation before? Bottom line for me is that unless ID is available for free and without undue hardship (like missing work), it's a poll tax. Make ID available for free in every public library and local district court (justice of the peace) and have the ID stations open days, nights and weekends, and I'm okay with it. But if someone has to pay for it, or take off work to get it, or needs a car or complicated public transit trip to get it, it's unreasonable.
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>>>>>>>>Every adult citizen, from the richest to the poorest, should be able to vote, and any requirement that makes it harder for poor people to vote is wrong.
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>>>>>>>>Tamar
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>>>>>>>Poor people get enough cash for eating, housing, etc.,etc. They also have plenty of free time on hands. So telling that $10 ID card taking 1 hour to receive is an impossible expense borders on insincerity. Elimination of voter fraud is no less important societal obligation than guaranteeing voting rights.
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>>>>>>I'm sure you have a link showing that fraudulent votes are a real problem.
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>>>>>Do you need a link to know that fraufulent voting is bad, or do you need a clue to know it?
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>>>>The snide tone continues. You know, the last time you laid into me I tried to think of a single kind or charitable thing you have ever said here. I couldn't think of one. Maybe something for you to think about.
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>>>Please. You were the one using insults the last time.
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>>You should review the conversation, including the comments you made to Agnes.
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>In my humble opinion, Agnes tried a cheap provocation exploiting your troubles and my intention was to minimize the harm. You may contact her if you got any problems with that exchange.
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>>>>No, I don't need a link to know fraudulent voting is bad, and that isn't what I asked for. I asked for a link showing it occurs to any meaningful degree. My opinion is this "issue" has been wildly overstated in the hope of scoring political points. The Republicans may as well try it at this point. Nothing else has worked, including any kind of vision from John McCain other than more of the same.
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>>>Be assured, I have no intention to score political points on you. It is you who is trying to bring partisan tone to simple notion that fraudulent voting is bad and must be eliminated.
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>>That is not in dispute. What is in dispute, and the question I was addressing, is how widespread it is.
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>>On to other things....
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>That's the dispute that you try to inject in the message that was not related to it.

How can it be irrelevant? If there are only a minimal number of fraudulent votes, who cares?

I don't think I was mistaken about the previous conversation (not just the comments to Agnes) but will let it go. Over and done with.