OK, I guess I did miss something. I don't understand your comment about a window disappearing--or even why the WindowType really matters in this case. I'm looking for an 8 character string of numbers in the caption of a form and it is either there or it isn't, regardless of WindowType. If the string is found, the new form won't be allowed to open. The only real problem that I can see would be if formcount doesn't include toolbars while forms() does.