>>>>>He may well have meant that, but I have to disagree that eliminating affirmative action will have any effect at all on racist attitudes in the general population. It was with us before affirmative action and it will be with us after. Far too many people simply fear and hate what is different from themselves.
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>>>>True enough, but affirmative action isn't. It is a racist action. It doesn't help relations and many times, particularly in critical jobs, lives are lost because the person in a critical job can't do the job.
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>>>You say that population cannot out enough smart men? If there are men think like you, your country needs affirmative action forever...
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>>Why would you say this?
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>Because he may be right - I somehow don't see the suppressed minority helping their own situation much, as if they're sitting there sulking forever, and not trying to make up for the distance - they don't want to be doctors, engineers etc, most of them not. And those who do, sometimes they are the rightest possible people, and sometimes they have just worked the system to achieve a lot with little effort - and in both cases they don't seem to be willing to raise their community to a higher level; they leave to a richer neighborhood.
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>Reminds me of the grassroots apartheid that Albanians were practicing in Kosovo and Metohija. They had their own university (built from our tax money, and it somehow looked like it was somewhere in Saudi Arabia - just look it up, the buildings didn't go anywhere) where most of the curriculum was in Albanian language (yep, the poor oppressed minority had a whole university in their own language), where they graduated in a quick rubberstamp way. With their plan to outbreed anyone non-Muslim, they went for 10-kid families, and they had their own clinics (it was really hard to find one where most of the managers wouldn't be Albanian)... but when there was a problematic birth, they went for a Serbian doctor, just to play it safe.
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>At some point there was an effort to lower the complications at birth and specially in the postnatal care. The problem was solved by strictly forcing all the nurses and doctors to scrub their hands when leaving the restroom, every time, as they use left hand and water, not paper.

Perhaps I misunderstood (wouldn't be the first time), but it sounds too much like stereotyping to me. While I will agree that there are some minorities with no desire to achieve great things or even to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be successful, I disagree that it is an entire group. There are certainly those who blame others in order to excuse their lack of ambition or drive or even ability to obey the law. They fall into every group though. There are blacks who blame the system or whites, there are indians who do the same, there are whites who blame affirmative action and reverse discrimmination, and there are alcoholics who blame their upbringing or anything they can think of. It is the fault of the individual and the fault of the society lies in allowing it or condoning it. Didn't affirmative action programs designed to help the Albanians actually result in reverse discrimination against Serbs, Turks, and other groups? What about the Gypsies?