>>I had the impression that
>>(1) you were just sitting on the fence (I'll see what etec/christof/craig do)
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>In some ways, I may be - I'm neither entirely sold on "that's the worst crap since Cobol" nor "best...since sliced bread". I just get started when someone starts telling me that I need strong typing. I don't.
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>>(2) you were bashing something you did not know about
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>This is a fast way to learn :). If you don't know how to beat a carpet - start doing it in the common yard at 3am, as loud as you can, and you'll get plenty of advice in no time...
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>>Then, Mr chameleon, let me tell you that was also pi..ed off. Bought a lot of java books (language/assembler/....) and the one thing that turned me off what that in java you cannot pass parameters by reference
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>So how do you do anything to an object? Every object has to know how to do it to itself, or else it happens to a temporary copy? That sucxques...

Not sure what you mean about temporary copies but you may have just described encapsulation. An object (class) defines both data and the operations upon that data.