It's a cabinent manufacturer. I know they recently had some layoffs, but I believe those were all factory labor. I think their market isn't going to dry up anytime soon.

That's a good point about getting expectations defined. I don't know if they have them actually defined - I would fill a maintenance role until I got up to speed in C# and Oracle. I will ask them about the expectations. Thanks!

>What kind of manufacturing? How recession proof is the new place compared to where you are now?
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>Get the stuff about a raise and job performance in writing as well as what's required of the job and how they'll measure that performance and what kind of grades you need to make on that performance.
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>>I just got a job offer this morning. I have been getting really sick of the Dilbert-ness of my current job. I have talked to my manager and my manager's manager about it, so I have tried to address the issues.
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>>The new place is a small local manufacturing facility. They have a 7-8 developer shop. I would be coming in as a Developer 1 for about 8% less than I am making now. They said after 6 months if I meet performance expectations (which I am confident I can) they would promote me to a Developer 2, and my salary would increase to about what I make now. I think I would fit in better at the new place because I have always really enjoyed manufacturing, and it seems like a somewhat laid back place. I interviewed with half the department and they seem like geeks, instead of the business stiffs I work for now. All of their systems are written in .NET, so I wouldn't have to struggle with the integrations between subpar vendored systems.
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>>The benefits wouldn't be as good as my current job, but not by much. I think there would be a lot more potential at the new place. I am about ready to friggin lose my mind at my current place. Once jagoff told me I should start to learn Java and I was ready to fight him (not literally, but in my mind I had him up in a helicopter whirl).
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>>What say you? I'm having a hard time getting around the money thing for the first few months. Even if it were just a miniscule amount more than I make now it would have given me a warm fuzzy that at least I am headed in the right direction money wise. However, I really do think that in 2-3 years I would be making more there than I would be here. They are a C# and Oracle shop, and I am a VB and SQL Server guy, but I'm fairly confident I can make the switch without too much trouble.
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>>Anyway, I should probably just be happy that I have a job because I know some folks on here aren't as lucky.