>It only takes me about 2 seconds of memories of the dialog editor in old C/C++7 (maybe it's vastly improved by now I've not looked) compared to the VFP form designer and the urge for VC goes away.

I don't mind the VC++ dialog editor, but I agree the VFP one is better.

The big thing for me is the ability to create visual control containers, that I can subclass. Don't know if that's possible in VC++.