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>>>Facts are true by definition.
>>Agreed
>>>They can be combined to describe or explain a truth.
>>Sounds a bit a**-backwards but OK
>>>However, if the presented facts are incomplete (i.e. some are missing) then so the truth being described will be at least partially false or incomplete.
>>Getting a bit stuck on a partially false truth......
>>>Even if all the facts are true.......
>>(see your first statement)
>>>..... and all available we are left with the problem of accepting / interpreting / understanding them objectively (not possible) in order to
>>determine the truth.
>>Acceptance of facts should be a given. And if you reach a conclusion based on faulty interpretation or by being subjective then the truth of that conclusion is not sufficiently demonstrated and remains a supposition.
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>>It's a complex issue which cannot be reduced to 'Facts != Truth' .
>>I think I started this by claiming that 'Fact != Truth' was inherently false anyway.
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>Essentially facts is not the same as truth; Although facts in themselves may be true they are always consumed within the context of one's ideological framework to create one's truth.
>I guess we're talking about different things. When you use the phrase 'one's truth' you're don't mean truth you mean belief, fond hope or something similar
>Hence facts and truth are not the same.
so this becomes 'facts and one's belief are not the same'
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