>>>>>Redundancy!
>>>>>
>>>>>ICU Unit
>>>>>ATM Machine
>>>>>PIN Number
>>>>>Tuna Fish (What other kind of tuna is there? Do we ever say I would like a Bacon Pig Hamburger Cow?)
>>>>>VIN Number
>>>>>and ...
>>>>
>>>>I'll give you the ridiculousness of ICU Unit and ATM machine, since the acronyms are 'spelled out'.
>>>>
>>>>Tuna Fish is part of the vernacular, I'm afraid, as is Cod Fish.
>>>>
>>>>But PIN and VIN are generally said as a word, so I guess people want to distinguish between a pin (a piece of metal with a pointy end) and a PIN by putting the 'number' after it.
>>>
>>>I agree with Jim.
>>>
>>>PIN was doomed and became"pin number" from the very start, although there do seem to be more people dropping the "number" nowadays, I'm pleased to note.
>>>As for differentiating it from the metal artifact, I'd like to see someone "entering" a pin.
>>>
>>>As for ICU unit, I remember I got flak a few years ago for mentioning the redundancy of calling someone a "CIA agent"
>>
>>There's no redundancy in CIA Agent is there? One could be a CIA filing clerk, or a CIA Human Resources Manager. So why not a CIA Agent?
>
>Kinell! I said I got this same flak a few years ago so no comment, except if the CIA is the C I Agency, then an agent thereof is a CI Agent. Nuff said.

Well, almost nuff anyway. The name of the outfit is "Central Intelligence Agency", not "Central Intelligence". A "Joe's Meat Market cashier" is not a "Joe's Meat cashier" just because it's a market.