>>I must be misunderstanding you. It sounds like you are saying the Dutch have been stained by allowing Muslim immigrants. If that is what you meant, how is it any different from what the Nazis said in the 1930s?
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>Not at all. I am saying that relatively homogeneous societies invite a radical change of their culture if they try to absorb large number of people with no intention to assimilate. Assimilation is very powerful for both sides. Otherwise, you have a situation like the African immigrants to France. It has nothing to do with who the immigrants are, only with their attitudes about their host. If you move to Britain to become your unique flavor of British, everyone wins (look at the Indian immigrants) If you move to Britain to change Britain to match the place you a leaving, you a simply another kind of invader.
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>The EU in general has adopted an immigration policy - for purely cheap labor reasons - that is going to have a very high social cost and I don't know how European values are going to be reconciled with a large and growing minority that has complete contempt for those values.
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Thank you for the clarification. When I read your earlier post I thought, no, he can't really mean that the way it sounds. Now I see it was the reluctance to assimilate you were addressing, not just having darker skin and a different religion. And I agree that is a force of instability.

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>>>I don't think 600,000 Israelis would in any way negatively impact our society - including settlers, Orthodox, hardline Zionists, whatever. And if you think 1000 Gaza residents with a proportionate representation of Hamas would have zero impact on Dutch society, you may be correct, but that only shows that you've already allowed one of the great European cultures to be subverted beyond redemption.
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>>>>>Actually I think this is a very sensible proposal. And I think the US should agree to take all the Jews - and the Netherlands should agree to take all the Palestinians.
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>>>>hmmm. In relation to geographical landmass ?? So the US will take 600.000 jew, the dutch about a 1000 palestinians. we've already got about a million of muslims... it would hardly make a difference here.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Facts != Truth
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmm. So something can be a fact but not true?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>A set of facts, each individually true, may not sum up to the "truth".
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>>>>>>>>>>>Can you give an example ?
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>>>>>>>>>>Fact: Israel has been bombing the Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>Fact: Those bombs have killed children
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>>>>>>>>>>What's the truth: Israel is a country of monsters who bomb the Gaza in order to kill children?
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>>>>>>>>>>Unless you have all the facts (and whoever does?), the facts you have don't necessarily add up to 'truth'.
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>>>>>>>>>Israel is not out to kill children. They just don't care if they do.
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>>>>>>>>>Just in case you're wondering, I am not anti-semetic. But I really dislike the Israeli state. They seem to feel a need to keep the world temperature just below a boil. Which gives them yet something more in common with the Arab nations.
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>>>>>>>>>IMO it's an open question which nuclear war occurs first, Israel vs. Arabs or Pakistan vs. India.
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>>>>>>>>I sometimes wonder whether it shuold be best to evacuate whole of israel and the occupied areas and nuke it in such way that no-one could live there for 200 years. Then the rest of the middle east can create wars amongst themselves.
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>>>>>>>Evacuate them all to where?
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>>>>>>Most of the jews live in the US already... I'm sure you've got some low populated deserts highly similar to Israel :)