>Check if this Re: Event firing BEFORE form.load Thread #1385412 somehow related.

It is, exactly somehow :). That is, anything that involves running fox code while properties of an object are populated makes that object initialize before its zorder. In that case, it was a activepage_assign; in my case, init of memberclassed objects. But see the solution: a property prefixed with an equal sign is as strong, if not stronger, in trumping the zorder.

>>I need a loader object in a container, something that can do a bit of checking in its .init(), instantiate the bizobject and just vanish after that. VFE uses a simple label for that, and I think all Codebook frameworks do that more or less the same way. Which should have worked swimmingly... except it doesn't work anymore.