>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well put.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The news yesterday said that the markets have not lost this much after a new president has taken office in over 90 years. But Obama has made it pretty clear that he hates Wall Street, so this really shouldn't come as any surprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dow heading for huge one-day gain - must be the effects of the new president ... :0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And as they chant at Football grounds "Its all gone quiet over there"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't expect the silence to continue. The whining is going to go on for 4 years or 8 years, no matter what Obama does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I expect he'll just carry on manipulating the stock market on a day to day or even minute to minute basis. (probably for personal gain so he can invest in left wing groups seeking to overthrow the USA)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yeah, he is trying to turn them into something as bad, socialist and as uncivilised as Europe! Darn, somebody better stop him!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have to stand up and fight, for our right - to gauge DowJones index and property prices as we want ! {g}
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Socialist" seems to be the current epithet of choice among American conservatives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Some of us have been using it for years...if the shoe fits and all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You wonder how much they understand about European socialism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can't speak for others, but for myself I understand enough to know that I despise the entire concept as it goes against everything history has taught us about drive, ambition and the ability to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Some of those countries are doing better than we are by about any measure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'll bite. Name some European countries that are doing better than America by about any measure.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Take your pick of the Scandinavian countries for starters.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very difficult I think to measure this really. Quality of life, GDP , health care, defence budget, gun ownership to name a few. Almost impossible to come up with a measure everyone would agree with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But I would say that when the loony right describe Obama as a socialist. Well they have no idea what socialism is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Does it imply that you know? Is your country socialist or not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Questions questions Edward. Never a statement of who you are or what you think. Try a new tack
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>First of all, I always answer any question. You could take my example.
>>>>>>>Don't be so shy, what is so complicated you see in my question. It will not hurt, I promise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ok
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll show you mine if you show me yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do you define socialism as ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you see Jake reply? It is rather long, and, basically, I agree with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is Obama a socialist ?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Because ?
>>>>
>>>Because his policies move this country to socialist direction. It is not mandatory for a socialist to sing Internazionale and/or wear red bands. Marx didn't do it, for example.
>>>
>>>>BTW Jakes reply with history lesson while interetsing had little or nothing to do with wether Obama is a socialist
>>>
>>>Please. You asked 2 questions. The first one was that you wanted definition of socialism, and Jake gave the definition. The second one, if Obama is a socialist, I answered directly.
>>
>>
>>Ok in answer to your questions Pikman.
>>
>>1. yes I do know what socialism is. And no the Uk is not a socialist country .
>
>Could you give a current example of socialist country?

I think probably the nearest countries would be the Scandinavian ones. Their governments have been more dedicated to pursuing equality than most. The UK made some steps in that direction at the end of World War 2 but a lot of that has been undone since especially by Thatcher