Jake,

You've mentioned 'absolute freedom' and 'absolute sovereignty' multiple times in this thread.

Absolute means "complete and without restriction" or "not limited by law." I'm saying that civilization requires acceptance that our freedom must be bound by laws for the greater good. Absolute freedom is the opposite.

With this statement you've supported the State seizure of private property for a traffic violation. That is but one form of overbearing governmental control that this nation's founders specifically wrote the Constitution to protect the citizenry from.

When I was in Florida earlier this week I was told that speeders risk vehicle confiscation and that this exerts a dramatic effect. I'd also note that many states allow seizure of cars used by drunk drivers.

IMHO running a red light is another predictable and unreasonable risk for other road users. I'd like that risk removed so that my wife and children and everybody else can be safer. If you are saying that removal is too great a penalty, this is something that people can avoid 100% if they want to. If people know they risk loss of vehicle if they run red lights, perhaps we will see fewer red-light runners and certainly they will have no complaint if it happens to them.

For the rest: assuming that you drive safely rather than insisting on your right to do as you please, how are you interpreting "Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither" in this context?