>>>>>>In that we agree, as long as we do recognize it and learn in stead of denying it.
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>>>>>And no country has given more in the name of Freedom than the USA.
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>>>>Eh could you qualify that? And what time scope are we looking at?
>>>
>>>It depends. If you #define freedom as "the same system that we have, with parties, gerrymandering, politicians who can't be bought twice, lobbying, letting the corporations run the show, legislature which benefits the haves at the expense of have nots", then there's a lot that can be listed. And, of course, TANSTAAFL applies.
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>>TANSTAAFL?
>There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

Except that I don't see why would anyone want an imitation, "thing such as a"? I can understand wanting to eat for free, but wanting a thing which is "such as a" instead sounds like "I want a fake". Besides, free lunch is not a thing, it's an event, a phenomenon.

Nevertheless, in the minds of perpetrators, payback is unavoidable.