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California Supreme Court Upholds Gay Marriage Ban
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27/05/2009 12:48:48
 
 
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27/05/2009 00:21:26
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., New Zealand
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Politics
Category:
Civil rights
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01402014
Message ID:
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The argument seems to often be framed in a way that implies one is suggesting gay marriage *instead of* heterosexual marriage. If there is social value in committed, stable relationships then it would seem society could only benefit from expanding this to individuals who would otherwise be legally excluded.

Of course there is social value in the institution of marriage - and that strengthens the argument for broadening the base. This is in no way about changing the structure of current marriages. It is about not interfering with the freedom of other people to seek happiness in a way that works for them.

And no matter how much circumlocution is employed, the argument against always come down to "Ick" or "God's gonna be pissed"


> If it is a contract for partnership, common-property and mutual responsibility, and legal drama upon dissolution, there really doesn't seem to be any logical impediment to gay marriage.
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>If that's all it is then the same cynic might point out that there's no justification for special legal status at all. So remove it from the rule books. Let it revert to a cultural/religious behavior with long-established cultural norms. Then everybody can make whatever sort of common property contract they please and nobody can think they're missing out- any more than they might think they're missing out on hip-hop because it doesn't appeal to them either.
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>Alternatively, could there be more to it than the simple civil contractual basis you describe?


Charles Hankey

Though a good deal is too strange to be believed, nothing is too strange to have happened.
- Thomas Hardy

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don't mean to do harm-- but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.

-- T. S. Eliot
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- Ben Franklin

Pardon him, Theodotus. He is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature.
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