>>>>>>>I do support nationalized medical care and I do support choice. However, when you look at all of his actions and policies together, there is a definite move towards socialism and government control over the public. Cap and trade is the most concerning.
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>>>>>>>Watching your posts, I wondr if it would be more accurate if you said that you support heath care reform rather than nationalized medicine. I agree that we need heath care reform, but if we give it to the governement, it will just get worse.
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>>>>>>But nationalized medicine is not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is the government becoming a provider along with others in at attempt to bring costs down. And finally doing something about the 40-50 million Americans with no medical insurance at all.
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>>>>Just wait until Obama fires up round 2 of the bailout!
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>>>Let's follow through on round 1 first. The whole idea of a stimulus package is you get the money into circulation -- companies hiring and investing, workers spending, the whole engine revving up. They are still sitting on an awful lot of it. It can't do any good when it's just a number and not real money.
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>>Right. So, why don't they turn the money loose, then evaluate the effect? Now, O man's advisors are pushing for a second bailout. That is insane, but normal for this bunch....
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>I agree with you. Let's turn the first pile of money loose and see if it helps.

One of the biggest problems with the stimulus money helping the economy is the manner in which it was dispursed. In many cases, the money is actually with the state already. However, when the states receive the money, many are taking it and diverting it to balance their budget instead. That happened with the money marked for education here in North Carolina. First, the districts had to return over $58 million back to the state last year and then the new money that came in went to the state budget as well. The allocation is misleading. For one, it laid out to cover many programs in this state and looking at the chart it all looks good. However, what isn't mentioned online and you won't hear unless it is from someone who speaks out against it (which has been the case here), the money is actually the same amount that would have gone in anyway except the state is too broke to continue the program without the stimulus money this year. It didn't create new jobs, but it did save jobs that may have been lost without it.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3991109/
http://www.ncrecovery.gov/RecoveryPlan/NCImpact.aspx

And for Illinois:

http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_7722f396-7ab8-5ccd-aec5-884f5ddcd962.html

That follows a national trend in which most of the money directed toward states will go to existing government programs for health, unemployment benefits and food stamps

However, it looks like Illinois will also better use the money than NC has (see the article)...