>Yeah I've noticed that too when I had to mess with the few VPM projects - they had their OWN newsgroup and thier OWN forum and really didn't want to be part of anything else - I found the whole thing rather odd. ... but after reading a lot of the posts and making a couple of posts I came to the conclusion that it was because they either didn't really know what they were doing or didn't want any of their users stepping outside the box too much. Good example of that is the stupid combobox thing - I posted a question about using comboboxes one time and I got a message back saying that the VFP combobox control is no good and doesn't work - to use their ignorant gizmo instead. I responded saying I had written like 30 VFP apps with zillions of comboboxes and the control worked fine if used properly. Next response I got was and email from them telling me to shutup or get banned...hahaha.
>Now, that being said - I don't want to suggest that all VPM programmers don't know what their doing and that VPM is a horrible product - it just simply doesn't fit any of MY needs. VPM itself seems like a pretty advanced RAD tool - but for me they just broke too many of the standard VFP rules.

Just on the note of the Picklist - I actually like the idea and implementation, but it's a bit too tricky and you have to really know all the details of how to set it up. Say, that the Index must be set up as VPMPrimary - I didn't see this in the docs I looked up (may be not very intensively) and it cost me a day or two at least.

The other thing I just discussed with VPM developer - looks like the generic grid class doesn't offer sorting by the header - that's why in my case we ended up with so many indexes and bad implementation. I can try, of course, to incorporate my own grid class and base it on one of the framework's classes, but then how about grid_ and grid_toolbar classes? Or should I somehow try to combine functionality into one class (grid_) - this is kind of tricky...

But I can say, that I received very good support on that forum and with one of the developers we communicated a lot by e-mail until he got tired of me.

Sure it would be much better if they communicate here in the special category instead, though.