"Perhaps" has won out.

>The system is failed as our rights have been eliminated.
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>We're going in circles. Are there or are there not effective mechanisms to protect your rights? Your described example says yes. Your words say no. We can agree to disagree.

The "mechanisms" are failing. Our rights are being deteriorated via the system that is designed to protect them. That there are those of us fighting has lessened the speed.

>The challenge never ends. That was my point. We've asserted and re-asserted and defended these rights repeatedly over the decades, yet with each new set of bureaucrats and politicians comes some jackass looking to make a name for himself by achieving his "gotcha" moment.
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>So? Nothing is cast in stone. Things will change. Most human beings and entities are driven to compete. Up to you whether you turn the other cheek or defend your rights.

I'm interpreting that you wish to accelerate the process and simply hand over complete control to the State. After all, things change, like the power of the citizenry in relation to the State? How can you in any way defend the deterioration of a right, without a constitutional change? You have read the constitution, yes?

>Lesson the power and size of the State. Lesson the tax burden from which they draw their power. Shrink the bureaucracy by eliminating social programs with the precision of a swinging axe. Return the money to the citizenry so that individuals can decide how to spend the fruits of their labor. Simply put, restore our Constitutionally established freedom from the tyranny of State power.
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>And let the bankers take over, since they are the richest and have demonstrated their ability to make things really peachy without government assistance.

The bankers demonstrated that they cannot be trusted decades ago. An intelligent regulatory solution was enacted and remained in place until the State gave them back the tools of depositor destruction in 1999. We've been through this and I now have a Congressional report to back me up. Government influence in the private housing sector caused the housing crisis at the same time they removing the limits of using depositor cash for the riskiest investments. The financial meltdown was caused by bought and paid for politicians who empowered their benefactors to run roughshod over proven lending and investment standards. That their benefactors are greedy bastards willing to leverage other people's money without limit is simply history repeating itself.

>You do realize that without government there would be a dam upstream from you and that if the gold course decided they wanted your farm, there would be little you could do about it?

Gold course? Now that would be a tough course to play. ;)