>This is a lie. Read the bill.
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>First you claim that I haven't paid attention to what people say publicly and when I demonstrate that I am not the one with that problem, you say that they are lies

Just to be clear, I'm not accusing you of lying, but Obama et al.

What I wrote : Pardon me John but have you actually read any of the quotes recently posted by me and others from Obama, Frank, Pelosi, Emmanual (Ezekial not Rahm) to name just a few?

I know there are lots of other quotes out there from Obama et al, I was specifically referencing the ones posted here.

>and change your accusation to not having read the bill. Perhaps I have read it more thoroughly than you, though I doubt that anybody here will have read it in its entirety.

Perhaps you have read it more thoroughly that me after all I tend to skim legislation, however, if that's the case then I cannot fathom how you claim to not see the obvious push for single-payor care contained within. It's glaringly obvious to my untrained eye, let alone someone with a history in the industry.

>All fraud. I just cited the medicare fraud number because it was stuck in my memory.
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>So how does the % medicare fraud compare to private insurance fraud in healthcare and elsewhere?

I really do not know if this is quantifiable, after all I'm not sure how what % of private insurance fraud is reported. Nor do I treat the numbers regarding Medicare fraud as gospel, after all that which is reported is only that which is caught. If 10% of medicare expenses are reported as fradulent then what's the actual amount of fraud? 15%? 20%? I honestly do not know.

>Take it up with the author of the article cited in the Wiki entry you provided. That's who I quoted.
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>The author you quoted was not commenting on the example I provided.

You : New technology can reduce cost but it isn't an explanation or solution in this case. Review http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_tourism#New_Zealand and tell me where you suppose these cost differences are derived, bearing in mind that the patient will receive an identical prosthesis.

From the Wiki : One patient who had his prosthetic hip replaced in New Zealand said the total cost including travel, lodging and the surgery at a private hospital was $20,000, as opposed to the $80,000 - $140,000 he was told the operation would have cost at home.[78]

Link [78] of the Wiki : http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2009/06/07/20090607rxtourism0607.html#reply17699291

This is the article I quoted, which is the article cited by the Wiki for the example you provided.

>Again, I'm providing the reasons given in the article cited in the Wiki entry you provided.
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>Your article makes general comments. If you crash your car and find an article saying that cars can crash because the road is wet, that does not prove that the road was wet when you crashed your car.

Again, it's not my article. I agree, it makes general comments about costs and it's also opening with a single anecdotal example, which is not a representative study of medical travel for prosthesis as a whole.

>The tort reform I advocate starts with legal representative compensation. Currently, lawyers get far too high compensation rates...
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>That's a bigger fight, but tort reform also requires juries not to award huge awards unless negligence or incompetence causes serious injury. Remove that inventive for frivolous claims and it removes the lawyers from the picture, meaning they can charge whatever they like.

Sounds like we agree or are at least close here.

>However, there should also be repercussions for bringing frivilous lawsuits which waste the court's time until a settlement is reached, which is the main purpose in the first place.
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>Some jurisdictions require a (say) 20K deposit to cover at least some of the opponent's costs if your claim fails. This tends to focus the mind. ;-) If it is claimed that it causes a barrier to reasonable claims, perhaps the lawyer working for a % of any eventual award can stump up the cash if they really believe the case has merit.

This is a good start.

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