>>>>>>As you know, Walter never lets anything as limiting as facts get in the way of any of his arguments.
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>>>>>>It seems that he shares the same mind set as Pelosi, Reid and many of our government officials. This is what allows them to call the people at the town hall meeting who do not want national health care "mobs with manufactured anger". What I don't get is that when Bush was president, they said that their dissent was patriotic, but now that the shoe is on the other foot, our dissent is un-american. Go figure....
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>>>>>Not un-American. Just rude and intimidating.
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>>>>According to Speaker Pelosi townhall protests are un-American. thank goodness the whitehouse publicly disagreed:
>>>>http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/08/white-house-disputes-pelosi-contention-that-town-hall-protests-are-un-american.html
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>>>I think we can all agree it would be nice if Nancy Pelosi moved on to the next chapter in her life. Of course, she won't.
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>>One thing is for certain. If it wasn't for disruptors and agitators we wouldn't have equal rights for women today or equal rights for minorities either. They may be loud and obnoxious, but I'll bet that the healthcare bill that finally passes (and I am certain one will), will not resemble the huge bill out there now. I'm sure that those items in it that are the most invasive to individual choice will be removed. So far, every time someone states 'it's not in there, those are just fear tactices' it gets removed :o)
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>Just a note: There is a misunderstanding that is driving this thread. The general topic is focused on health care and not health insurance which is what Obama is trying to get established. The medical system will remain the same. The insurance companies, who actions in personal times of needed critical care, when their removal of coverage is almost criminal, will feel the effect and be forced to supply services as advertised and will be kept in line by having to compete with your government. Your medical care will remain as it is, in the hands of your doctor.

From what I'm reading it's starting to look like the government health insurance group to compete with the private sector is a dead duck. There is some talk of co-ops but they would not have nearly the leverage of one big group. Co-ops would just be lip service to reform while the private insurers continue on their merry way. With the excitable public as their unwitting dupes in derailing reform.