>Re waiting lists, reduced choice, death Boards etc etc: it now seems that these threats were FUD scripts written by industry insiders.

Death boards are being dropped and the White House is launching trial balloons regarding dropping the public option. Waiting lists and rationing are a fact of life in socialized care. If these are such wonderful ideas, why are our illustrious leftist leaders caving when they control the entire legislative process? People outside the extreme edges of our political spectrum are not easily motivated. The mobilization against government care going on throughout this country is much more than industry sponsored. This is an obvious conclusion that those in Washington have been slow to realize, but they're getting there.

>How well they know the public- parts of it, anyway. I'm reminded of Lenin's reference to "useful idiots" amongst those he was trying to manipulate and his boast that his targets were so selfish that they would be eager to sell him the rope he would use to hang them. ;-)

Hi kettle this is the pot.