>>>>>>In a civilised country universal healthcare should be a right just as emergency healthcare already is.
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>>>>>>I'll ignore the obvious anti-American insult and drive directly into the issue of "right".
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>>>>>Insult? where ?
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>>>>When you assert that in civilized countries health care should be a right, you have implied that the USA is not civilized.
>>>>As I said, obvious.
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>>>You're reading it the wrong way. In each civilised county health care should be a right.... meaning... including the USA.
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>>I believe I read it as you meant it conveyed.
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>>Now to the issue of rights...Exactly how do you propose health care become a right without subjugating the rights of others?
>>As I have stated before, health care is goods and services. If one has a right to health care then what does that entail? Our rights are limits upon the power of the State. They are not monetarily bound. Goods and services do cost money because they are the product of ones labor, which one is entitled to under our Constitution. How do you rectify this contradiction? Specifically, how do you guarantee the fruits of one persons labor to another without violating the producer's rights?
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>Jake, I'm not cmnfortable enough in the US bill of rights and what or what it does not entail. But since I'm living in a country where everyone has the right upon affordable healthcare, I can't see why the US could not implement that.
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>Up here, several parties, Like employers, The insured and the government do pay for health care insurance. Everyone can choose an insurance company of their liking. There are basic packages, more elobarate and top packages. If you want more coverage, you'll pay more (mainly, yourself). But again everyone has the right on an healthcare insurance.
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>The trick the dutch did, has nothing to do with socialised healthcare (The insurance companies are still commercial), but in the strong relugation of the packages that the insurance companies have to provide (for example they cannot refuse patients) and a compensation mechansim for 'expensive chronically ill patients'. Since all insurance companies have to obey the same regulation rules, there is no way for them to cut expensives by offering less than the government dictates. They still have more than enough room to profile themselves.
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>So please, explain me, why we up here do have a right on affordable healthcare and why this cannot be implemented in the US ?

Because the insurance and medical industries are too powerful. They have been killing reform since Harry Truman was President.