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30/09/1998 09:48:38
Dragan Nedeljkovich (Online)
Now officially retired
Zrenjanin, Serbia
 
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Visual FoxPro
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00141049
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00142365
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>>You've touched my sore spot, Jim. I've already caught myself inventing various workarounds to build a wide circle to walk around menus and not use them all - just for that reason.
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>Menus serve a purpose--to let beginners see what the program offers--but they shouldn't be the only way to invoke common commands.

I have a few cases of apps which gather data from various sources, so they have just a few forms, but the reporting part is rather extensive. The reports are logically grouped into several levels of submenus (I've had apps with 40 reports or so, sometimes). There are no common commands - users simply run a series of reports, in a rather random order. The ability to see where they left off before breakfast and continue with the next report is invaluable in this case. It works fine for me - in FPD. If sticky menus are impossible to implement in VFP, I'll probably start creating picker forms just to invoke a group of reports, or think of any other UI solution when I come down to it.

Various versions of Fox have had various versions of menu systems, all of which still work, but are actually not supported officially. Remember the menus stuffed in arrays? Gave you something like Lotus style menus and were hard to get out of. Then the @....prompt menus. Then, Define menu/popup in FP. I'm still not sure I have tried all the options and combinations - maybe they can be made sticky again. M$ doesn't support any other menus anymore, only the "click me anywhere and I'll vanish" system menus, and shortcut menus. Yes, coolbars, I know.

Maybe the menus are for the beginners, because the beginners must ramble through them to learn the layout of them - and they either learn it by searching them dozens of times to find an option which was... somewhere round here, I guess... or was it here, or simply give up the whole idea of menus and switch to toolbars and hotkeys, because trying out the menus wore them out. A beginner studying the menus clicks a bar in a popup - sees what happens, and next minute doesn't remember where he clicked. I know I don't. It vanishes before my eyes before I have the time to remember which one I picked.

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