>>>>>>>>>That separation is your arbitrary one Peter I don't see it, prostitution is a part of the sex industry.
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>>>>>>>>Arbitrary? Nonsense. Why do you not want to answer my question(s)? Are you afraid that you'll gonna loose this discussion? That you'll have to admit that there is a certain legitimate ground for prostitution? That it's not in all situations a bad thing? Your moves are tactical rather than argumental.
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>>>>>>>Happy to answer your questions Peter. And you seperation is arbitrary. You've just done it for your own convenience so you can take a very extreme example and use it to justify prostitution. There is no justification. If you can't find a partner for whatever reason get over it. Nobody ever died from not having sex.
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>>>>>>From your answer I draw the conclusion that you oppose any type of prostitution, even what you call the extreme case of a handicapped person who seeks sexual relief. That's a fundamental position. I guess it's your right to take that stance, but not many (here at least) will agree with you and if you'd be the dictator, you'd cause a lot of frustration in certain groups of men. You'd say to those men: Get over it, you won't die of not having sex. You say that far too easy. I also suspect that not-having-any-sex is not one of your own problems. Who are you to decide for other persons what they must endure in this? Isn't the desire for having sex a fundamental drive?! How about the amount of rape? Don't you think it would increase if there were no prostitutes?
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>>>>>If you look back I'm not pro legislation Peter. Rape isn't about sex its about power and if "certain groups of men" get frustrated then they need help not justification. I'm pretty frustrated that I'm not rich, does that make it ok for me to rob a bank or steal someones wallet..
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>>>>Rape is primarilly about sex. It's about hormone levels, testosteron to name one. It's about the natural drive of a living being that is driven to produce offspring. Prostitution is a fundamental requirement in a civilized society. It enables the members to say to those who are in desperate need: "Well then, go to the whores, but don't you dare to touch my daughter. I'll kill you with my bare hands."
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>>>Well I completely disagree with you Peter
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>>I guess the dutch progressive pragmatic approach is still a bridge too far for others :)
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>Some how this discussion has morphed from stripper clubs (not prostitution or a crime) to prostitution to sex slavery and then rape. I find it amazing that anyone considers rape purely a sex crime after so many studies have shown it is a crime of power and subjugation. Regardless, the stats on reported rapes per country are interesting (warning file is >5mb) page 76 shows the reported #s:

I hope you saw the tongue in cheek hint.

>http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/5678svr.pdf

Anyone should be very carefull in making any conclusions on these numbers, even if they are factual. You refer to the number of recorded rapes, which does not neccesarely say anything about the number of actual rapes. In many cultures rapes are rarely reported. There always is a lot of shame involved and there is quite a burden to individuals to report rape.

>I really think the Dutch progressive approach has more to do with prostitution and the spreading of disease then sex slavery and/or rape.

Spreading of disease ? Please explain...

>I'm all for the Dutch progressive approach. Get it licensed, taxed, and monitored.

Who gets the tax revenue? :)