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23/11/2009 19:48:23
 
 
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23/11/2009 19:37:48
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>>>SNIP
>>>>The only crab I have with this is that those 'foreigners' were captured in a country where they are not 'foreigners'. In those cases, it's the U.S. soldiers who are the foreigners.
>>>
>>>Not true. The majority all come from other countries. 219 were actually from Afghanistan and only 9 were actually from Iraq. Everyone else was a 'foreigner.'
>>>You can sort this list by country:
>>>http://projects.washingtonpost.com/guantanamo/search/?category_val=iraq&category=country
>>>
>>>
>>>Here is a list of the transfers so far:
>>>http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/guantanamo-bay_detainees.htm
>>
>>Maybe, maybe not. Birthplace may not be the ultimate answer to everything. take Omar Khadr for example. He was born in Canada (and the web site shows that), but he was living in Waziristan when the U.S. attacked his home. He may be Canadian born, but to call him a foreigner when he was actually living there is kind of stretching things. It's hard for me to consider a resident of someplace to be a 'foreigner' in that place just because he wasn't born there.
>>
>>I also don't know from that web site how many of those detainees were captured in Iraq. To say that only 9 were actually from Iraq assumes that all the detainees were taken in Iraq. Is that really the case? Were none of the Afghanis taken in Afghanistan?
>
>No, I was responding to your statement on who were the "foreigners." Some were captured in Afghanistan and some were captured in Iraq. My numbers reflect their home country, not where they were captured. You stated that the Americans were the foreigners, and I'm stating that both the Americans and a majority of the enemy fighters are foreigners.

And I'm pointing out that unless you can show where each person was taken, you can't know whether or not the majority of enemy fighters were 'foreigners'. Just because a lot of the detainees were Afghanis doesn't mean they were taken in Iraq. If they were taken in Afghanistan, then they were not foreigners. And then again, even if they some were taken in Iraq, my contention is that if that's where they lived, then they were not foreigners. Are you contending that everyone living in the U.S. who wasn't born there is a foreigner? To me a foreigner is someone found in a place where they are not living and where they were not born. My next door neighbour was born in China, but because his home is in Canada, I can't see that he could properly be labeled a foreigner.

I'm not saying that you are wrong. I'm just saying there is nothing there that I can see to back up the statement that the majority of the detainees were foreigners. I know for a fact that the Americans were.
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