>Amen, Brother Pertti. <s>
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>My 2002 video demo of creating a working 4 table app with all those features (security, grids, lookups, etc.), hitting against SQL Server, ran 15 minutes. Real-time was about 20 minutes, with the waits for processing reduced to not waste people's time.
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>Until I hit that metric in WPF and Silverlight, I won't be satisfied.
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>My concern used to be that the top programmers at MS didn't get visual design tools simply because they were so talented they really don't need them. The message that we aren't all like them seems to have percolated to the top, however. My current concern is that if they haven't worked in VFP with a full-featured framework, they really don't know what good is, at least my "good" <s>, and so won't aspire to reach that goal.
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>With what we'll have in the framework for VFP.Net, I hope to cut 5 minutes off that demo (the steps of creating the xCase2VPM run, and the steps required to create the SQL Database and the Remote DBC are refactored to run atomically and as needed in the development environment).
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>Hank
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In my code camp talks for the RIA framework and silverlight, I show the creation of a complete data driven app in about 7 minutes. I use the EF (4mouse clicks about 15 seconds) to bring in the tables, Domain Services to hook up the data to the client (about 6 mouse clicks - 20 seconds) and then the bulk of the time is setting up the grids and the data form for editing and creating navigation pages.

If y'all would take a serious look at current technology instead of taking a beginner's viewpoint and believing it as gospel, you would see what I'm talking about.

The funny thing is you and 3 other programmers in the world will be using vfp.net.