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02/01/2010 14:28:40
 
 
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02/01/2010 13:54:35
Dragan Nedeljkovich
Now officially retired
Zrenjanin, Serbia
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>>>Have I gone native? Maybe. I'm still very sensitive to one country's forces operating on another country's soil. Diplomats et al are not a force; police is.
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>>Interpol do not, and never have had, operational agents operating in individual contries. If you care to look you will see that the Interpol NCB for the U.S. is part of the Department of Justice. Any action in the U.S is carried out by your own local or national enforcement agencies. Same principal applies to the NCB's of all member countries.
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>So if it's all local, what's the purpose of this act anyway? Doesn't it seem moot? If whatever Interpol is doing in the US is actually US internal, what's the point? Interpol then doesn't have any foreign presence here.
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>>FWIW here's the original executive order that you were unable to locate:
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>>Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983
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>That's because I was searching only at the same place where I found the most recent amendment. Either whitehouse.gov is very sloppy with putting the remaining 12000 executive orders in the same table, or the labyrinthine ways one has to explore to find the full text are set up intentionally. Can't they just publish the text as it is now? I hated the practice when it was done by communists back home, then hated it even more when Milošević was doing it, and now I have to wade through the same stool again? Why can't one person put the text together (don't tell me the Cabinet doesn't have staff for that), but instead anyone of the remaining 300 million potentially interested people (plus some forei... international ones) have to piece it together on their own? That's rule by obfuscation.

Would you apply the same logic to, say, making changes to a class library. 'Oh - I've made some changes to this. Here's the new version. If you want to know what the changes are then just read the entire old and new versions and work it out for yourself'.'

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>>This is truly scary stuff - granting Interpol the same exemptions as those already enjoyed by, amongst others, the International Pacific Halibut Commission and The International Cotton Advisory Committee. At least they apparently had enough sense to revoke the exemption for the Coffee Study Group! :-}
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>That's exactly the technique that's applied whenever something covert is done - bundle it with a few completely unrelated items, often to a humorous effect, ha, ha. Anyone who cares to read it carefully can be safely laughed away, ha, ha, nothing to see here, move on.

Great logic:
(a)This is a humourous response
(b) The International Halibut Commission is not Interpol.
Conclusion: This is a conspiracy to allow (non-existent) Interpol agents to gun-down innocent Americans with impunity.....

>Section 2(c) (quote is from Rense - you can find it - but I found the original too at http://www.icann.org/en/psc/annex9.pdf) makes Interpol, which has, as you said, no active presence of its own on the US soil...
>(c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
>To which Rense comments
>"Section 2(c) covers SEARCH AND SEIZURE! INTERPOL is now untouchable on US soil. Remember, the original EO excluded these exemptions! These exemptions now apply to INTERPOL on US soil."
>"Section 3 exempts duties and taxation from baggage. INTERPOL now can bring in (or out) a bag with whatever it wants in it. How can you impose duty or tax on something inside a bag you can't search?"
>"Section 4 exempts all property taxes being levied. INTERPOL can now build or occupy whatever properties it wants within the US and not have to pay any property taxes of any sort."
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>Etc etc... if they are not operating here, if everything is done by locals - why all these exemptions? Is this to designate a portion of the local police as belonging to Interpol and therefore being granted all these immunities, exemptions and protections? Archives inviolable - so long, FOIA. Immune from seisure - no matter what they do, they can't be investigated. Sounds perfect, just don't know what for.

FCS, this is Interpol - not the "Man From Uncle" . It's only a glorified criminal information clearing house. There is no operational arm.
Anyway, given that the original executive order has been in place for 25 years isn't it a bit late to start worrying about it ?
Or enough time for someone to come up with examples of Interpols mis-use of the rights ?
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