>>>>>>>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6921281/Britain-facing-one-of-the-coldest-winters-in-100-years-experts-predict.html
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>>>>>>Then there is a little cool snap in Carolina too. http://www2.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/once_in_a_generation_cold_snap_forecast_for_nc/91554/
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>>>>>>And people are dying in Chicago - http://cbs2chicago.com/wireapnewsil/Chicago.man.s.2.1400772.html
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>>>>>>Help, help, help the sky is freezing!
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>>>>>but the global warming maniacs have an answer for this too... their pat response is that global warming causes erratic weather patterns so the current cold temperatures fit well within their definition of "erratic".
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>>>>>Bunk...
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>>>>When this thread started I had a bet with myself that it wouldn't get past 4 posts before someone played the 'global warming angle' card.
>>>>But can you explain why a series of mild winters is NOT proof of global waming (just part of a natural trend) but one cold winter should be reagarded as proof that global warming is NOT occurring?
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>>>It's not just the one cold winter. We hear that the temperature is actually in a cooling cycle, and has been for the past 8 years. We also see reports that say the libs have "cooked the books" and the Antarctic ice cap has actually grown, even though the scientists who reported shrinking had to admit, they didn't include all the Antarctic in their calculations. Then, there is climate-gate and on and on, including the carbon credits scam that Algore has foisted upon us. It defies logic, unless there is a conspiracy to get the wealthy countries to fund bogus research, or unless the UN sees an opportunity to wrest money from the wealthiest countries....
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>>I read that too, but the Columbia glacier you may have stopped to see in the Rockies between Banff and Jasper continues to retreat. It is almost not visible from the road now. Twenty years ago I walked to it's face just a hundred yards or so from the highway. No glacier building is occurring. And as you know the glaciers in Greenland seem to be melting too. I think the best thing to do is assume global warming and discontinue emissions, build electric/solar cars and solar powered homes anyway. The removal of all that material from our atmosphere can only benefit us and our forests. Screw the UN and take care of yourselves.
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>I've read the lists of expanding and shrinking glaciers. I think it is very interesting that some are expanding at record rates and others are shrinking just as fast.
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>How reliable is Madhav L Khandekar (retired former Research Scientist from Environment Canada ) do you think?
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>http://icecap.us/images/uploads/MLK2.pdf
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>Snippet:
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>CONCLUDING REMARKS
>The best guess value for SLR for the next 100 years appears to be about 230 mm (23 cm)
>with a 95% confidence interval of +/−50 mm. In view of cooling of the upper oceans
>observed in recent years and a possible continued cooling of the earth’s mean
>temperature over the next decade (e.g., Keenlyside et al 2008), the best guess value of
>SLR from now until 2025 is estimated to be just about 30 mm with a 95% confidence
>interval of +/−10 mm. This estimate is significantly lower than the range projected by the
>IPCC fourth assessment report in 2007. In terms of climate policy, such a value of future
>sea level rise poses no major threat to the coastal regions or low-lying countries (e.g.,
>Bangladesh, The Maldives, Tuwalu) of the world at present or in the foreseeable future.
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Tracy, I don't know this fellow or his work. The only evidence I have seen are the Columbia glacier in our mountians and our slowly warming and shortening winters. But last year was closer to normal and this year seems to be too damned cold.