>>i think a lot of "good ideas" start out poorly executed. Just as with the battery problems and the gas pedal or electronics... it will get cleaned up and fixed but in the meantime those Fords (who used to have the tire problems from Firestone which were made by the same factory as other brands by the way) are selling at 25% higher rates...and Toyota dropped 15%...
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>With a little luck, Toyota will make us a better offer so I can get into a new Prius. The only thing holding us back is 6% interest - we won't pay that to a bank. The Dealer has offered to drop the price of the car far more than the interest surcharge, but we still won't pay that to a bank.

I see you have much more respect for the Dealer than for the bank. Why not respect the Bank and shoo the dealer?

I'll never understand the rules you Guys use to Decide when to use upper Case and when the Lower case. If there are any.

BTW, I paid my 15-year mortgage in 33 months. Saved about 20 grand on interest. It was a real pleasure to calculate.