>What an Idiot!
>My code was pretty much similar to yours (although I was only testing with one Path) but I had tried with (for example)

>t1.Arrange(new Rect(bs.Point1, new Point(12, 12)));
>//instead of
>t1.Arrange(new Rect(bs.Point1.X, bs.Point1.Y, 12, 12));

Lord knows what I was expecting that constructor version to do :-{
>Thank you...
>BTW I don't think the '-5' offset if required in the ArrangeOverride in this instance - seems to centre correctly without it...
>Viv
>
>>>>it does use ArrangeOverride BTW
>>
>>I was looking for it in the window not the adorner, I see it now. < rolls eyes at self >
>>
>>Very quick and dirty, I created a simple class that held the thumbs for the segment and the segment.
>>
>>I then created a collection of that class in the adorner and walked it in arrange. Seems to work.
>>
>>Not complete, but I think you'll get the picture.
>>
>>here's what I came up with:
>>

public class ThumbPoints
>>    {
>>    public Thumb Thumb1;
>>    public Thumb Thumb2;
>>    public Thumb Thumb3;
>>    public PathSegment Segment;
>>    }
>>
>>  public class PathAdorner : Adorner
>>    {
>>    List<ThumbPoints> ThumbPoints;
>>    VisualCollection visualChildren;
>>
>>    public PathAdorner(UIElement adornedElement) : base(adornedElement)
>>      {
>>      visualChildren = new VisualCollection(this);
>>      ThumbPoints = new List<ThumbPoints>();
>>      PathGeometry g = (PathGeometry)((Path)adornedElement).Data;
>>      foreach (PathFigure item in g.Figures)
>>        {
>>        foreach (PathSegment seg in item.Segments)
>>          {
>>          if (seg is LineSegment)
>>            {
>>            ThumbPoints pseg = new ThumbPoints();
>>            pseg.Segment = seg;
>>            BuildAdornerPoint(ref pseg.Thumb1, Cursors.Hand);
>>            ThumbPoints.Add(pseg);
>>            }
>>          else if (seg is BezierSegment)
>>            {
>>            ThumbPoints pseg = new ThumbPoints();
>>            pseg.Segment = seg;
>>            BuildAdornerPoint(ref pseg.Thumb1, Cursors.Hand);
>>            ThumbPoints.Add(pseg);
>>            }
>>          }
>>        }
>>      }
>> 
>>    protected override Size ArrangeOverride(Size finalSize)
>>      {
>>      foreach (ThumbPoints item in ThumbPoints)
>>        {
>>        if (item.Segment is LineSegment)
>>          {
>>          LineSegment line = (LineSegment)item.Segment;
>>          item.Thumb1.Arrange(new Rect(line.Point.X - 5, line.Point.Y - 5,10,10));
>>          }
>>        else if (item.Segment is BezierSegment)
>>          {
>>          BezierSegment line = (BezierSegment)item.Segment;
>>          item.Thumb1.Arrange(new Rect(line.Point3.X - 5, line.Point3.Y - 5, 10, 10));
>>          }
>>        }
>>      return finalSize;
>>      }
>>
>>    void BuildAdornerPoint(ref Thumb pointThumb, Cursor customizedCursor)
>>      {
>>      if (pointThumb != null) return;
>>      pointThumb = new Thumb();
>>      pointThumb.Cursor = customizedCursor;
>>      pointThumb.Height = pointThumb.Width = 10;
>>      pointThumb.Opacity = 0.40;
>>      pointThumb.Background = new SolidColorBrush(Colors.MediumBlue);
>>      visualChildren.Add(pointThumb);
>>      }
>>
>>    // Override the VisualChildrenCount and GetVisualChild properties to interface with 
>>    // the adorner's visual collection.
>>    protected override int VisualChildrenCount { get { return visualChildren.Count; } }
>>    protected override Visual GetVisualChild(int index) { return visualChildren[index]; }
>>    }

YW, I don't know about you but for me when I'm fighting with something it usually seems to be something stupidly simple when I find it. <g>

I spent most of a day fighting with a web page last week. Turned out it was a badly formed set of if/endif tags for my pngfix.js. I could have screamed when I finally found it.

Translate transform trick in the other post is cool, I'll remember that when I get around to this on my todo list.