yes thank you - message received. this is very kind of you Koen. i will see how i make out following your instructions and get back to you with corresponding email. again thank you so much for the help.

karen

>>With code, i can drop it into a program and run the program.
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>>I have had limited and inconsistent success using vfp form builder and have invested (and wasted) a lot of time trying it out. afraid i would need someone to walk me through it to get it working with anything producing remotely practical results. i certainly recognize the advantages but there is mountain between me and that destination hence my constant requests for work-around code that can do the more advanced fucntions i need.
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>>appreciate the blunt question Sergey - you hit the heart of the issue. and thank you Koen for the link - that i wish i could make use of. apologies for the straight and narrow questions i post.
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>Karen,
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>have mailed you a short notice HowTo make a visual form in VFP. Hope you will find it usefull.
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>Regards,
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>Koen