>>>>The state of HI only provided a certificate of live birth without the relevant information. It did not provide a copy of the actual birth certificate. The only issue I have with that is that McCain had to provide his since he was born in Panama (on American soil in the canal zone) when it was demanded of him. The constitutional requirement is not to just be a citizen, but to be a natural born citizen. I seriously doubt he is anything other than a natural born citizen; however, I take everything with a grain of sand because he refuses to provide it as well as his college records. I am surprised that you accept everything so readily. Rather than question why he doesn't provide all of the information you resort to name calling (the nutjob statement). Doesn't make you or Bill right or wrong, just demonstrates that at least Bill questions what he is told and does not blindly believe everything and you lacking critical thinking and far far too easily swayed into believing what you are told to believe. You do recall the statement: absolute power corrupts absolutely....and:
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>>>>You're chastising me for "...accepting everything so readily". What about Bill? Has Bill personally seen any evidence either for or against the issue? I seriously doubt it. Seems to me that it's far more of a strech to think Obama's not a citizen, given the state of HI's revelations, than to beleive otherwise.
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>>>>The state of HI provided certification that Obama was born there. That's sufficient enough.
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>>>>... Rather than question why he doesn't provide all of the information you resort to name calling (the nutjob statement).
>>>>I wasn't calling Bill a nutjob. I was calling the guy who Bill quoted a nutjob. I think Bill's far more rational than that guy. Truly, this citizenship thing is pretty far fetched, and anyone who seriously sbscribes to it is sorta nutty, given the lack of any real evidence to the contrary.
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>>>>Also, when I said Obama has lived here all his life, I meant his adult life. Life before 10 has no bearing in these issues, IMHO.
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>>>Are you serious? You really think that a person's life before 10 has bearing on how they think, feel, believe, or behave in later life?
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>>Having an 8 year old, and to grown daughters, I can tell you, as any parent can, that anyone 10 years old and younger doesn't know or care spit about politics. They know little or nothing of life's problems as theirs aare all handled by mom & dad. This is of course a generalization not applying to the minorites in homeless shelters and the like. At 10 years old Obama wasn't thinking about the presidency.
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>as if on cue: http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20100806/sc_livescience/personalitysetforlifeby1stgradestudysuggests
>Our personalities stay pretty much the same throughout our lives, from our early childhood years to after we're over the hill, according to a new study.
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>The results show personality traits observed in children as young as first graders are a strong predictor of adult behavior.
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>"We remain recognizably the same person," said study author Christopher Nave, a doctoral candidate at the University of California, Riverside. "This speaks to the importance of understanding personality because it does follow us wherever we go across time and contexts."

Thank you. Politics or thinking about being a president at that age had nothing to do with my statement. You posted exactly what I was referring to....

However, in this case, Kevin is wrong:

But he declared his goal of becoming president when he was in grade school in Indonesia more than 35 years ago.

In an interview with VOA's Indonesian Service, Obama's third-grade teacher said he wrote in a class assignment that he wanted to be president. The assignment was called, "What do you want to be when you grow up?"

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2007-01-31-voa32-66763502.html